Christian Morality

Shouldn't Judas be revered in Christian circles. AFter a he turned in Jesus to the Romans which resulted in the events leading to the cruciFICTION, the same event that gave birth to Christianity.

I didn't comprehend your answer to my question about my salvation though.

Has my salvation been revoked?

Evil should never be revered. For it is God that brought about the good, not Judas. Some might say if Hitler had killed all the Jewish people we never would of had a problem with Israel today. Had Hitler acomplished his goal should he of been revered? I think not.

Guess what? You're the only person that I have ever heard, in my life (and I'm 54 yrs. old), say "that". No one says if Hitler had killed all the Jews that there wouldn't be a problem with Israel today. You are disturbed, to say the least.

I do not believe you ever had salvation. I think you may of had a religious experience, and maybe you went to church a lot.
Just where do you get off, passing judgement, like that? Whatever you may think, it is only your opinion, and not fact. I'm sure, you're hardly one to talk.

Yet Jesus tells us my sheep hear my voice and they follow me.


A true Christian may fall down, but then gets up and continues to follow. I told my wife 30 years ago that I loved her. Now we may fight from time to time, but we are still together because I love her. It;s like that with me and God. Only when I fight with Him He's always right. Where that is not always the case with my wife. lol

You'd have to be a true Christian, to know what one does. You can call yourself one, all day long....doesn't mean that it's true.
You think way too highly of yourself...you are hardly one who could fight with God....you may war within yourself, with yourself, but you are not fighting God...God has way more important things to do than to be in battle with the likes of you. Your wife should hit you over your head with something...better yet, she should just leave you to do for yourself...you'd cry like a baby, I'm so sure.

Hush truth! You'll find many religious fanatics up in here...screaming about war on terrorism, and killing folk before they can kill us...just raving lunatics...and they think themselves completely different and "justified" from Islamic jihadists. It's just baffling . "It ain't necessarily so, everything you read in the Bible".

Well war is not a desirable solution, yet one has to wonder how long do you watch a man load a gun who has already stated he's going to kill you. When Islamics blew up two American embasies, America did very little. When Islamics blew up Cole and killed 17 American sailors, America did very little. When Islamics blew up the Twin Towers killing 3.000 Americans. America finally responded. So do we now wait until the Islamics secure nukes and slip one, or two, or three, into an America city before we respond next time?
How many Americans need to die first before we respond?

Well war is not a desirable solution, yet one has to wonder how long do you watch a man load a gun who has already stated he's going to kill you. When Islamics blew up two American embasies, America did very little. When Islamics blew up Cole and killed 17 American sailors, America did very little. When Islamics blew up the Twin Towers killing 3.000 Americans. America finally responded. So do we now wait until the Islamics secure nukes and slip one, or two, or three, into an America city before we respond next time?
How many Americans need to die first before we respond?

How many of our brothers and sisters in Iraq need to die campbell , before we realize we are killing innocents. Should we use the last figure Pres. Bush gave. 50,000, or the one the humanitarian organizations are giving 600,000 plus? is 50,000 enough of a eye for a eye ?

Tell it to Jesus at judgement, quarantee that story will not go well.

Muslims pray to the same God we do, people seem to forget that.

Please show me one place in the new testament where Jesus okayed retaliation, revenge, or war? Maybe then we can have a decent conversation about what Jesus would do about terroism .

First of all there are people who have said as much to me about Hitlers intentions and the Jews. They are called skin heads. I donot support them, yet they do revere Hitler. Sorry if you don't like that, but that's the truth.
And when someone tells me they were a Christian, and now they make fun of Christ, I have know problem agreeing with what Jesus Christ states about such. Jesus said, whosoever love's Him will follow Him. He did not say whosoever love's Him will make fun of Him, and His people. If you have a problem with that statement, then take it up with Christ. Please, don't get upset with me, because I agree with Him. And believe me, God often has to arm twist those who believe in Him. And if you don't believe that, maybe you should read the story of Jona and the whale.

I agree with aaronssongs in respect to campbell judging my salvation but I did ask for campbells opinion on the matter and he did respond, so I don't really think I could fault him for that.

Now about campbells last statement about American response to Islamic attacks I must say that if we were to respond correctly, Iraq would never have been attacked, since they had NOTHING to do with ANY of the events that Campbell cited. The majority of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi's. Why did we not attack UAE???

You don't respond by lying about the reason to go to war with a country that was essentially contained, by fudging the data, and then change the reasons for staying involved, as it suits you. You don't take your eyes off the prize (bin Laden in Tora Bora), while skimping on your troop strength in the theater of operation. You don't let irresponsible and incompetent personnel allow Abu Gharib to occur, further damaging your image, in the eyes of the world.
You don't announce to the world that you're unwilling to talk to "the enemy", unless they meet your demands, further distancing any possibilities for negotiation and common ground. You don't make matters worse than they were. When it's obvious, you're not making any headway, you don't continue doing the exact same thing the exact same way, and expecting the results to be different. You don' t let go of common sense. Shall I go on?

You don't respond by lying about the reason to go to war with a country that was essentially contained, by fudging the data, and then change the reasons for staying involved, as it suits you. You don't take your eyes off the prize (bin Laden in Tora Bora), while skimping on your troop strength in the theater of operation. You don't let irresponsible and incompetent personnel allow Abu Gharib to occur, further damaging your image, in the eyes of the world.
You don't announce to the world that you're unwilling to talk to "the enemy", unless they meet your demands, further distancing any possibilities for negotiation and common ground. You don't make matters worse than they were. When it's obvious, you're not making any headway, you don't continue doing the exact same thing the exact same way, and expecting the results to be different. You don' t let go of common sense. Shall I go on?

If someone jumps off a cliff, would you follow them? "People' say a lot of "stuff"...doesn't mean you need to reiterate it. Skin heads can hardly be a source of reliability or wisdom. Yet, here you are using their philosophy as a basis for your argument.
And so what someone once was a Christian, and through "his journey", changed his way of thinking? Why would you have a problem? Who are you?
Last time I checked, this was a free society, and folks can say anything they like...it's guaranteed to them as a right of free speech.
Who died and made you Jesus' deputy on Earth? Jesus?????? Did you get your marching orders directly from his mouth to your ear?
I have read Jonah (with an "h", you being a bible scholar and all!) and the whale....and I am able to recognize that, more than likely, the story was a "parable", rather than fact. Reading the Bible requires that you use common sense rather than taking every period and comma for granted. Excuse me.

How many of our brothers and sisters in Iraq need to die campbell , before we realize we are killing innocents. Should we use the last figure Pres. Bush gave. 50,000, or the one the humanitarian organizations are giving 600,000 plus? is 50,000 enough of a eye for a eye ?

Tell it to Jesus at judgement, quarantee that story will not go well.

Muslims pray to the same God we do, people seem to forget that.

Please show me one place in the new testament where Jesus okayed retaliation, revenge, or war? Maybe then we can have a decent conversation about what Jesus would do about terroism .

The Bush administration was going on the information gathered from the previous 8 years of the past administration. That information was flawed because the previous president slashed Americas inteligence agencies budget by billions of dollars, and felt that money was better served for domestic projects. Most of the senior members of the CIA were either force out of their jobs, or quit in disgust. America was blinded because of the polices of the Clinton administration. When Bush came into office there were only two people in the CIA who could even read Arabic. That's right, two people were the only one's avaiable to read the tens of thousands of messages coming out of the Middle East. Bush has changed that, but that does not help the thousands that were killed in the World Trade Center.
I never said I supported this war, if I had gone to war it never would of been fought this way. War is not pretty, nor is it always done perfectly.