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Atheism & Agnostic Beliefs On The Rise In U.s.

 
 
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 09:32 am
@DesertDave,
Yeah......religion is taking a horrible beating in America today. Kids have been raised to hate it, even when they attend church(!!!!????!!!). It's a matter of being 'cool'. It's not cool to be religious right now. You can be religious, but you can't admit it, publicly, and remain cool. I hate this trend.
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 09:42 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;19421 wrote:
Yeah......religion is taking a horrible beating in America today. Kids have been raised to hate it, even when they attend church(!!!!????!!!). It's a matter of being 'cool'. It's not cool to be religious right now. You can be religious, but you can't admit it, publicly, and remain cool. I hate this trend.


It has nothing to do with being cool, I live in a rural community with a Christian family, and a GF with Mennonite parents. How cool do you think me talking about my beliefs are?

The Christian victims mindset is hilarious, if you aren't given free reign over everything, to do exactly as you please and place everyone else's ideas second, then you're being persecuted.

Meanwhile I couldn't even go have a beer on Thursday night in Abilene without being told I was going to hell and having propaganda shoved in my face when I left, but they're one ones who's personal freedoms are being infringed on.... right.... :beat:
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 02:20 pm
@DesertDave,
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Exodus 4:11 And the Lord said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the Lord?

In the New Testament, we see that demons, not Yahweh, are to blame for a wide range of handicaps, mental illnesses and diseases, ranging from muteness to leprosy. Exorcism, prayer and faith healing (not professional medical attention) are the recommended cures.



God caused all the scientific reasons for these to exist and he had to explain that to the people of that time in terms they could understand.

Quote:


Again, explaining them in the way the people could understand. This could just as easily be used to prove that Jesus was a medical genius and that he taught his disciples how to heal, as well as cast out demons. There are many cases in which exorcism works.
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 02:22 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;19425 wrote:
It has nothing to do with being cool, I live in a rural community with a Christian family, and a GF with Mennonite parents. How cool do you think me talking about my beliefs are?

The Christian victims mindset is hilarious, if you aren't given free reign over everything, to do exactly as you please and place everyone else's ideas second, then you're being persecuted.

Meanwhile I couldn't even go have a beer on Thursday night in Abilene without being told I was going to hell and having propaganda shoved in my face when I left, but they're one ones who's personal freedoms are being infringed on.... right.... :beat:


Well, there's places where a Christian can't go without people like you shoving bible contradictions, etc. and Richard Dawkins down their throat.
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 02:34 pm
@DesertDave,
I have no problems with people who live their lives as Christians until they try and push it on me and my family. I generally keep my faiths to myself, Christians have a very hard time with that because for the constant push for conversion. And if we demand Christians also keep to themselves then we're persecuting them by not allowing them to attempt to dominate our society.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 02:35 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;19495 wrote:
God caused all the scientific reasons for these to exist and he had to explain that to the people of that time in terms they could understand.



Again, explaining them in the way the people could understand. This could just as easily be used to prove that Jesus was a medical genius and that he taught his disciples how to heal, as well as cast out demons. There are many cases in which exorcism works.


He could have simply said "he was born that way", had he actually understood it

and exorcism often does work, the physcosematic mind is a crazy thing, funny there seems to be very few uses for exorcism (outside of horror movies) in the Non Christian or modern worlds.

I could say Apollo told the Greeks about the sun in a manner by which they'd understand by claiming it was his fiery arrow he shot into the sky every morning.

or I could just say that's BS, you follow?
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 02:39 pm
@DesertDave,
But here you show some anti-Christian bias, seemingly unprovoked, openly. here. Don't judge all Christians by some experiences you have had. Christians are supposed to try to evangelize (though I usually don't), just say, "No thanks", and if they still insist on it, they aren't following Christian values.
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 02:42 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;19505 wrote:
But here you show some anti-Christian bias, seemingly unprovoked, openly.


well this is a forum for debate, I'm much less vocal in my "real" life
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 02:43 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;19503 wrote:
He could have simply said "he was born that way", had he actually understood it

and exorcism often does work, the physcosematic mind is a crazy thing, funny there seems to be very few uses for exorcism (outside of horror movies) in the Non Christian or modern worlds.

I could say Apollo told the Greeks about the sun in a manner by which they'd understand by claiming it was his fiery arrow he shot into the sky every morning.

or I could just say that's BS, you follow?


If you did a little research into exorcism, you'll realize that physical manifestions (self inflicted cuts seemingly of a demonic nature, etc.) as well as mental ones.

And what if, In that particular case, he wasn't born that way?
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 02:44 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;19507 wrote:
well this is a forum for debate, I'm much less vocal in my "real" life


Then I would assume you can't really get mad a people because they insist upon having a CHristian mindset here, right?
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 02:50 pm
@DesertDave,
no, I just debate them
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 02:53 pm
@DesertDave,
But you're not talking about Christians here when you say stuff about people trying to convert you, right?
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 03:02 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;19519 wrote:
But you're not talking about Christians here when you say stuff about people trying to convert you, right?


No I'm talking about the majority of Christians I met throughout my travels, usually they prelude any offer of conversion with a lengthily speech about fire and damnation, which they tactfully hold over your head for the duration of the conversation

I know what Christianity should be, I also know that 98% of christians aren't that. And by that measure (and by the measure that the bible says some pretty ridiculous stuff from time to time) I think that Christians should stop warning everyone else they're going to hell. We all know when we point one finger we point three others back at ourselves.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 03:41 pm
@DesertDave,
"Meanwhile I couldn't even go have a beer on Thursday night in Abilene without being told I was going to hell and having propaganda shoved in my face when I left, but they're one ones who's personal freedoms are being infringed on.... right...."

Hey, just think how much your liver appreciates those kind folks. Look at the bright side.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 03:44 pm
@DesertDave,
Skinnard, I teach world history in a huge, multi-cultural, public high school down haaar in south Texas, and I'm telling you straight -- kids today do not like to admit they are religious, even when they are. It's considered UNCOOL.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 04:02 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;19532 wrote:
Hey, just think how much your liver appreciates those kind folks. Look at the bright side.


my liver left me in 2002, it cited abuse
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jun, 2007 02:58 pm
@DesertDave,
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I know what Christianity should be, I also know that 98% of christians aren't that. And by that measure (and by the measure that the bible says some pretty ridiculous stuff from time to time) I think that Christians should stop warning everyone else they're going to hell. We all know when we point one finger we point three others back at ourselves.


Is your view of what Christians should be but aren't favorable or unfavorable?
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jun, 2007 03:15 pm
@DesertDave,
my view of what a Christian should be is favorable but far from perfect, seems totally attainable but the majority of them don't seem to find their way to that point.

I really see the fault of this on the Churches and their competitive nature
Volunteer
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jun, 2007 05:13 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;19072 wrote:
but your still better because you get exclusive access to life's after-party


Again, nothing exclusive about it. You, or anyone else can join any day or hour. That is the opposite of exclusivity.
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jun, 2007 05:15 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;19354 wrote:
That's cute but that particular concept of christanity is one of the more insulting things you can say about as a perfect and timeless god.

picture it

God creates Humanity because he wants someone to be with, he creates them for that specific purpose.


False premise. Cite the verse in the Bible that pre-states your statement in bold above.
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