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I take history as a subject prerequisite in order for me to graduate from college. What you said was true; knowing the history of the bible will cause me to love it even more, but i don't take its history as a basis for my faith which is a different thing.

And I'm not trying to explain everything using the bible as a basis. Do i look like trying to explain the theory of relativity here? Doing so, your right, will make me inaccurate because a physics book will teach you physics, a geology book will teach you geology, therefore its irrelevant to refer to a physics book if you want to learn geology. Same as the Bible, it offers salvation, so would you refer to a history book as a basis for salvation? l.

The bible didn't say anything about universal religion. If you believe this "Catholic" means universal then prove it biblically.:peace:

What? The Bible is not a dictionary of Greek words, sorry. And it did not say Churches, it said Church. So even if Peter were not the rock on which the Church was built and Jesus did not say so, which he did, there is still only one Church, which Peter built anyway, by all accounts.

"All inclusive; pertaining to all mankind." -Wiktionary

Derived from the Greek word meaning universal.

The Bible is very universal in its structure, by design. The Catholic Church assembled it in the 4th Century, AD, to ensure it served that very purpose -- balance, comprehensiveness, universality, etc. And yes, its speaks volumes about the universality of the human family, the calling of God, God's plan of salvation for all people. The Bible is very, very universal in its appeal, language, and general psychology. Anyone who appreciates literature should be able to deduce that. Sorry.

Prove historical argument in terms of historical facts, prove psychological argument in terms of psychological facts, prove biblical argument in terms of biblical facts. What I'm trying to say is; prove, "Biblically", that catholic is a universal religion or whatever. I'm not speaking of my self here because Christ said"(John 7:17 - 18)17If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. 18He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him." I'm just quoting some verse from the bible.

Prove historical argument in terms of historical facts, prove psychological argument in terms of psychological facts, prove biblical argument in terms of biblical facts. What I'm trying to say is; prove, "Biblically", that catholic is a universal religion or whatever. I'm not speaking of my self here because Christ said"(John 7:17 - 18)17If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. 18He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him." I'm just quoting some verse from the bible.

You're not listening. You're using the Bible as the sole source of Christian authority, which I've already explained, in fairly accurate historical terms, it isn't. Again, for example, where does the Bible even acknowledge itself as 'THE BIBLE'? And don't give me that, "It's on the front cover crap." The cover was created by its publishers in the 4th Century, WHO WERE CATHOLIC, BY THE WAY. You're closed-minded, and a hopeless Fundamentalist. There's no reasoning with your kind. I've tried my entire life, and have given up, quite frankly. Ecumenism with Fundies is impossible and a false hope. :no:

Does being an ex Jesuit Priest entitle you to something? Do you think the Lord thinks your more so then anybody else? Being your an "ex" priest that would suggest to me you were not a very good one? Which would explain the "ex?"

Ecumenism, Fundamentalist, Whatever. Did you know that the Vatican I gave a public apology to people because of mis interpreted preachings and the present Pope wanted to remove the Holy (allegedly) Rosary? I'm an ex Jesuit Priest, F.Y.I, I know historically, philosophically and fundamentally all about Catholic Church compare to you.

Ecumenism, Fundamentalist, Whatever. Did you know that the Vatican I gave a public apology to people because of mis interpreted preachings and the present Pope wanted to remove the Holy (allegedly) Rosary? I'm an ex Jesuit Priest, F.Y.I, I know historically, philosophically and fundamentally all about Catholic Church compare to you.

Prove historical argument in terms of historical facts, prove psychological argument in terms of psychological facts, prove biblical argument in terms of biblical facts. What I'm trying to say is; prove, "Biblically", that catholic is a universal religion or whatever. I'm not speaking of my self here because Christ said"(John 7:17 - 18)17If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. 18He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him." I'm just quoting some verse from the bible.

Show me. Don't tell me. I need to see it to believe it. So far, you're losing. Have you ever wondered why you're an ex-Jesuit priest? If the shoe fits, wear it, as they say. :FU1:

Oh my God, you're Alberto Rivera rose from the dead, aren't you!

So, I can also claim to be a former Jesuit priest, can't I?

Let me ask you this, for starters: Do you see the prayer 'Hail Mary', as a manifestation of the worship of Mary in the Catholic Church (just to see yopur position on this)?

This isn't about losing or winning, if it is for you then go ahead taste your victory. For me if the show fits wear it, your right. But this time I don't like the shoe. I said i am a former Jesuit is because your throwing me some philosophical and historical background of the catholic church. I just want to say that i already knew that. This church is publicizing their history that they wanted you to see not the history they wanted you to know. I have no intention of showing that I am better.