@Pinochet73,
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Reagaknight;12836 wrote:If you live your life and worship completely according to the Bible, you are very limited in what you do. The oldest traditions and the Catholic church have withstood the test of time, so surely God cannot disapprove of them. I see nothing wrong with worshipping Christ by establishing traditions or practices.
"And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
And the Church that Peter founded is the Catholic Church, and his successor is the Pope. Also, Pinochet and I do not speak for eachother. I only said that Fundamentalists are hypocrites, they don't do everything in the Bible, which they say others must do.
Place your faith in no man.
Place your faith in the Rock (of Ages), the Cornerstone.
Isaiah 44:6-9, “This is what the LORD, the King of Israel and its Redeemer, the LORD of Hosts, says: I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but Me. Who, like Me, can announce [the future]? Let him say so and make a case before Me, since I have established an ancient people. Let these gods declare the coming things, and what will take place. Do not be startled or afraid. Have I not told you and declared it long ago? You are my witnesses! Is there any God but Me?
There is no [other] Rock; I do not know any. All who make idols are nothing, and what they treasure does not profit. Their witnesses do not see or know [anything], so they will be put to shame.”
Matthew 7, “"Do not judge, so that you won't be judged. For with the judgment you use, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye but don't notice the log in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and look, there's a log in your eye? Hypocrite! First take the log out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. Don't give what is holy to dogs or toss your pearls before pigs, or they will trample them with their feet, turn, and tear you to pieces.
"Keep asking, and it will be given to you. Keep searching, and you will find. Keep knocking, and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who searches finds, and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. What man among you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask Him! Therefore, whatever you want others to do for you, do also the same for them—this is the Law and the Prophets.
"Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who go through it. How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.
"Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves. You'll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles? In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit. A good tree can't produce bad fruit; neither can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that doesn't produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So you'll recognize them by their fruit.
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord!' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but [only] the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. On that day many will say to Me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? Then I will announce to them, 'I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!
"Therefore, everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them will be like a sensible man who built his house on the rock. The rain fell, the rivers rose, and the winds blew and pounded that house.
Yet it didn't collapse, because its foundation was on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of Mine and doesn't act on them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. The rain fell, the rivers rose, the winds blew and pounded that house, and it collapsed. And its collapse was great!"”
Matthew 16, “When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?"
And they said, "Some say John the Baptist; others, Elijah; still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
"But you," He asked them, "who do you say that I am?"
Simon Peter answered,
"You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God!"
And Jesus responded, "Simon son of Jonah,
you are blessed because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter,
and on this rock I will build My church, and the forces of Hades will not overpower it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth is already bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth is already loosed in heaven."
And He gave the disciples orders to tell no one that He was the Messiah.
From then on Jesus began to point out to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders, chief priests, and scribes, be killed, and be raised the third day.
Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, "Oh no, Lord! This will never happen to You!"
But He turned and told Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me because you're not thinking about God's concerns, but man's."
Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone wants to come with Me, he must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life because of Me will find it. What will it benefit a man if he gains the whole world yet loses his life? Or what will a man give in exchange for his life? For the Son of Man is going to come with His angels in the glory of His Father, and then He will reward each according to what he has done. I assure you: There are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
Now, if Jesus was speaking of Peter as the Rock, why did He use the terms for inanimate objects, words like “this” and “it” in relation to the term rock. Why didn’t Jesus speak plainly and state to Peter after naming Peter by using the words, on you I will build My church and the forces of Hades will not overpower you? If He meant that Peter was the foundation of the church, He would not then have the need to rebuke Peter two lines later, calling Peter Satan and telling Peter that Peter himself was an offense. Isn’t it more likely that Jesus was speaking of Himself and the fact that He is the Messiah, the Son of the living God? Isn't it possible the revelation Jesus refers to when he tells Peter that His Father in Heavan revealed Jesus as the Messiah was also the rock upon which He would build His church?
I believe that fact and the revelation, given from God to Peter that Jesus is the Son of God, is the rock upon which He would build His church. This is supported by the many instances in Scripture (old and new testament) in which God speaks of Himself as the Rock of Israel and in the New Testament in which He refers to Himself and faith in Jesus as the Messiah as the stone that the builders rejected, the cornerstone.
Luke 20:9-18, “Then He began to tell the people this parable: "A man planted a vineyard, leased it to tenant farmers, and went away for a long time. At harvest time he sent a slave to the farmers so that they might give him some fruit from the vineyard. But the farmers beat him and sent him away empty-handed. He sent yet another slave, but they beat that one too, treated him shamefully, and sent him away empty-handed. And he sent yet a third, but they wounded this one too and threw him out.
"Then the owner of the vineyard said, 'What should I do? I will send my beloved son. Perhaps they will respect him.'
"But when the tenant farmers saw him, they discussed it among themselves and said, 'This is the heir. Let's kill him, so the inheritance will be ours! So they threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.
"Therefore, what will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and destroy those farmers and give the vineyard to others."
But when they heard this they said, "No—never!"
But He looked at them and said, "Then what is the meaning of this Scripture:
The stone that the builders rejected—this has become the cornerstone?
Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, and if it falls on anyone, it will grind him to powder!"”
