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Age and Political Philosophy

 
 
Skye cv
 
Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 06:20 am
Political philosophy and age group

In Dear Diary SoCal was writing to MissDixy about her youth which often equates with liberalism, and as she matures she may cross party lines into a more conservative approach to solutions....

Do the young naturally have a fresh 'socialist movement' in becoming members of our world - looking with new ideas and dreams which may or may not come into fruition?

Or is that what 'liberalism' is truly about?

As for conservativsm - I realize there are young conservatives however it would seem that ideal belongs to those who may have realized the results of socialist failures (and there are many unfortunately) that dreams must have a focus on function and follow through - that the dream has to grow into reality -

Or is conservatism a result of understanding what will work for society?

Just muddling around... it's early but I didn't want to let the thoughts go before I got them down...hopefully those who have changed affiliations or ideals could explain this phenom....

I often think of standing with money in hand giving it out to people - needy or not - just handing out money - and carrying it forward - what does it do for the people who receive it?

*Is it like a visit to Disneyland and problems are clear for a moment in time?
*Is it an investment towards understanding that the person can put the money to use and create some investment in the future?
*Is it money hoping the receiver will build on it and share with others?

Who learns from handouts anyway? And if there is something learned - is it valuable in the future as well as the present time?

Finally (will she ever shut up?)....

I believe a healthy society experiences positive growth through contribution rather than expectation of gifts. In all of our lives there will be times a helping hand will lift us up, but to live a life with that goal in mind stunts the possibilities of a life well lived. Of never having stretched one's abilities. Of never knowing how far we can take ourselves.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 10:52 am
@Skye cv,
Pretty heavy for so early in the mourning, LOL.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 11:17 am
@Skye cv,
You have a good enough point, I suppose. I guess a nice example would be universal health care. Ever see those commercials where all the kids say stuff about fixing health care? Something tells me they aren't talking about HSAs. However, looking at it objectively, it sucks, even though it sounds nice.

On the other hand, I think it's more complicated than that. I think a whole bunch of things factor in here. Kids rely mainly on their upbringing while adults have more real life experiences to shape their views. Also, they have to absorb a huge amount of liberal and Leftist information compared to a decade or two ago in schools and other places.

I think the main reason why I am not a liberal today, although I am even younger than missdixy, (I think) is because I became interested in politics at around age 11 and my views were pretty much fully formed by 12, before I had any liberal teachers or at least ones who could interject liberalism in more than small ways. So I was already prepared for liberalism when it came in school through teachers. And now, I am becoming more deeply entrenched in conservatism, and I doubt that anything or anyone in the future will bring me out of it, though there will surely be such people. But that's just me.
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 03:14 pm
@Skye cv,
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I often think of standing with money in hand giving it out to people - needy or not - just handing out money - and carrying it forward - what does it do for the people who receive it?


I was in the bay area recently (that's the San Francisco bay area for those that live elsewhere) when I was confronted by a homeless man. I mean he was right in my face begging for money. I took out a $5 bill and told him I would buy him a meal at the fast food joint we were in front of. He said that he wanted to use the money for some 40's (that's 40 oz. malt liquor). I said sorry and took back the fiver. You cannot help those that refuse to be helped.
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 04:37 pm
@Skye cv,
Skye;22809 wrote:
Political philosophy and age group

In Dear Diary SoCal was writing to MissDixy about her youth which often equates with liberalism, and as she matures she may cross party lines into a more conservative approach to solutions....

Do the young naturally have a fresh 'socialist movement' in becoming members of our world - looking with new ideas and dreams which may or may not come into fruition?

Or is that what 'liberalism' is truly about?

As for conservativsm - I realize there are young conservatives however it would seem that ideal belongs to those who may have realized the results of socialist failures (and there are many unfortunately) that dreams must have a focus on function and follow through - that the dream has to grow into reality -

Or is conservatism a result of understanding what will work for society?

Just muddling around... it's early but I didn't want to let the thoughts go before I got them down...hopefully those who have changed affiliations or ideals could explain this phenom....

I often think of standing with money in hand giving it out to people - needy or not - just handing out money - and carrying it forward - what does it do for the people who receive it?

*Is it like a visit to Disneyland and problems are clear for a moment in time?
*Is it an investment towards understanding that the person can put the money to use and create some investment in the future?
*Is it money hoping the receiver will build on it and share with others?

Who learns from handouts anyway? And if there is something learned - is it valuable in the future as well as the present time?

Finally (will she ever shut up?)....

I believe a healthy society experiences positive growth through contribution rather than expectation of gifts. In all of our lives there will be times a helping hand will lift us up, but to live a life with that goal in mind stunts the possibilities of a life well lived. Of never having stretched one's abilities. Of never knowing how far we can take ourselves.


So, what's your question?

Are you asking about the chinese proverb?

Or, are your asking about Christ's command to believers?
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Red cv
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 04:39 pm
@Skye cv,
I have found, on forums, that the younger generation is generally left/left or socialists. Our universities are flooded with the socialist dogma, starting at the proff level,they teach their bias socialist ethos to the students whom blindly believe the tripe. The older a person gets the more Conservative we become, I believe as we mature we file away our experiences in our "Lesson's learned file" and draw on those experiences when a situation arises anew. The youth of today have so much handed to them on a silver platter that only a small minority know what hard work means and those youth are usually conservative because they've earned and worked for their success. Socialist don't believe in hard work, just handouts for those they deem "Needy". They like spending other peoples' money for their beliefs and ethos. I'm tired of their hands in my pocket and my purse. Let them pay for their socialist eutopia, I doubt they could fund a soup kitchen once combined as a group.
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 04:44 pm
@Skye cv,
Again, well spoken. Freedom without discipline equals anarchy. Maybe I'll adopt that in my signature.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 09:29 am
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;22880 wrote:
You have a good enough point, I suppose. I guess a nice example would be universal health care. Ever see those commercials where all the kids say stuff about fixing health care? Something tells me they aren't talking about HSAs. However, looking at it objectively, it sucks, even though it sounds nice.

On the other hand, I think it's more complicated than that. I think a whole bunch of things factor in here. Kids rely mainly on their upbringing while adults have more real life experiences to shape their views. Also, they have to absorb a huge amount of liberal and Leftist information compared to a decade or two ago in schools and other places.

I think the main reason why I am not a liberal today, although I am even younger than missdixy, (I think) is because I became interested in politics at around age 11 and my views were pretty much fully formed by 12, before I had any liberal teachers or at least ones who could interject liberalism in more than small ways. So I was already prepared for liberalism when it came in school through teachers. And now, I am becoming more deeply entrenched in conservatism, and I doubt that anything or anyone in the future will bring me out of it, though there will surely be such people. But that's just me.
You allowed yourself to come up with your own views, also allowing you to see the boxed and ready to eat variety. Political views arrive when one learns to deseminate the info it is being feed. IMO some go the wrong way.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 09:34 am
@Red cv,
Red;23015 wrote:
I have found, on forums, that the younger generation is generally left/left or socialists. Our universities are flooded with the socialist dogma, starting at the proff level,they teach their bias socialist ethos to the students whom blindly believe the tripe. The older a person gets the more Conservative we become, I believe as we mature we file away our experiences in our "Lesson's learned file" and draw on those experiences when a situation arises anew. The youth of today have so much handed to them on a silver platter that only a small minority know what hard work means and those youth are usually conservative because they've earned and worked for their success. Socialist don't believe in hard work, just handouts for those they deem "Needy". They like spending other peoples' money for their beliefs and ethos. I'm tired of their hands in my pocket and my purse. Let them pay for their socialist eutopia, I doubt they could fund a soup kitchen once combined as a group.
An observation i also hold true.
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briansol
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 10:11 am
@Skye cv,
i think the whole hippie movement proves this theory. mostly 20-somethings crying for peace
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 10:30 am
@Skye cv,
Crying for peace then, funding the war now.
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 10:39 am
@Skye cv,
This whole age and political philosphy issue is pointless. The more I read and the more political TV I watch, the more I realize that politicians, all politicians only care about power and money. The more I learn, the angrier I get. The information put out by the media only fuels my fire and as one individual, I am completely powerless to do anything. As an example, in Los Angeles, the DA is a thief - his wife crashed his gov't car while driving without a license and he had the guile to have it repaired with city funds. To me, that's theft, pure and simple. Only after he was busted, did he apologize because it his words "it's the right thing to do". What hogwash. When the city board that oversees his office was polled, the consensus was that they did not want to kick him while he was down. Maybe Orwell was right - Ignorance is Bliss.
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rhopper3
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 04:43 pm
@Skye cv,
I guess I am a bit backward in regards to the conservative liberal thing the cliche being you get more conservative as you get older...I voted for Ronnie twice and did it without regret ....but now I see religion and social politics more and more taking the place of the pragmatic optimism I saw in Ronnie and his comtemporaries...........We seem to have become stagnant as a country and a sa culture and conservatism seems strangely innappropriate to me somehow.....
I hear conservatives supporting a war that if they are honest with themselves know conservatives of another era would never have engaged in and when asked why we should support a war that doesn't make sense to anyone their only answer seems to be blind loyalty and don't be a coward.....
Secondly lets put this socialist don't believe in hard work manure to rest..it shows a marked misuderstanding of political realities.....and is quite frankly BS
I never considered myself socialist by any stretch ...but if universal health care, education reform, and keeping other people's religion out of my life then sign me up
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2007 06:11 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;23019 wrote:
Again, well spoken. Freedom without discipline equals anarchy. Maybe I'll adopt that in my signature.


What is freedom with discipline?

Can anarchy be freedom?

Anarchy and freedom are unalike. In anarchy no one is free, there is no force to fill up that power vacuum, and it gets filled up by smaller, more dangerous factions.

Whether it be the government, or an individual, freedom can be destroyed.
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Red cv
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2007 07:16 pm
@rhopper3,
rhopper3;23373 wrote:
I guess I am a bit backward in regards to the conservative liberal thing the cliche being you get more conservative as you get older...I voted for Ronnie twice and did it without regret ....but now I see religion and social politics more and more taking the place of the pragmatic optimism I saw in Ronnie and his comtemporaries...........We seem to have become stagnant as a country and a sa culture and conservatism seems strangely innappropriate to me somehow.....
I hear conservatives supporting a war that if they are honest with themselves know conservatives of another era would never have engaged in and when asked why we should support a war that doesn't make sense to anyone their only answer seems to be blind loyalty and don't be a coward.....
Secondly lets put this socialist don't believe in hard work manure to rest..it shows a marked misuderstanding of political realities.....and is quite frankly BS
I never considered myself socialist by any stretch ...but if universal health care, education reform, and keeping other people's religion out of my life then sign me up


Well you just describe Canadaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, only the socialist in Toronto (the capital city in Ontario) refused to honour our troops but were happy to fly the Rainbow Flag of the Gay community. So let me tell you how insulting it is that they were happy to fly a flag based on whom one has sex with but they consider it war "Mongering" to show support for Canadian troops. One has sex, and the other fights for democracy and freedom. Tis a shameful thing. On to the next issue universial health care, well it takes 300 days to get a mammogram in my province. I haven't been able to find a Doctor that takes on new patients in two years. I could be dying but my Free Health Care providers could careless. You can't drink the water or bathe in it at the ONLY major hospital in my Province. Cancer patients die because of our Free health care. Oh and it's not free, I pay 53% income tax to pay for FREE health care I can't get access to. Now on to Social Safty Nets or Welfare. A female can get welfare for 18 years in my province, yep no questions asked just pop out those bastards until you can't breed anymore and we'll take care of you and them. More socialist dogma at my expense. Now education reform, well Computer Training or IT is all the rage but we need skilled trades like Plumbers, electricians and carpendars but our Universities only train for BA and other useless degrees. Yep that degree in the arts is really going to help industries that are screeming for trades. More socialist horseshit. If the US want's socialist policies, visit a hospital or school in Canada. It ain't what it's cracked up to be, if I get sick I'm heading to the US and I'll gladly pay for adequate health care instead of our FREE health care.
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