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so the women murdered for a few bucks in their purse was muslim doing's? how can u say that? you donot have human rights miss, if so then why do scholars saying the holocaust never happened are jailed? isnot freedom of speech a human right? what about respectable muslims being pulled in airport and subjected to humilating treatment , is that human rights? what about guantanamo and what happens inside it is that human rights? what about Osama Alhaj (a sudanese citizen) who was arrested while doing his job as a reporter for aljazeera tv and been in guantanamo for years now without even a court, is that human rights? shall i mention some more ?




sorry but you are just like a writable cd , once something is stored in it it can never be changed, people who commit murders whether honor or whatever are jailed in my country who gave you any other impression, Islam does not allow you to kill a muslim (regardless of gender) unless he leaves Islam there is no any other reason , if a person kills his sister for example because she commited what he thinks she deserves to die for, its not Islams fault if he does it, Islam does not tolerate it, i wish i can rewrite a writable cd :dunno:

Yeah....I should have greased them. They were bad neighbors -- dirty, drunk most of the time, filthy rich, crazy. We hated them, had the firepower, but wanted to graduate from college more than going to prison. :rocketwhore:

Thank you.

That was a typical fear based comment of appeasement by a weak livered leftist, pacifist who would rather be led to slaughter than fight.

Agreed!

What? Thats not what I said, read it carefully, I said there is a murder every 4 seconds, not that a muslim murders someone every four seconds, you said that, are a little paranoid maybe?
I was defending civilized nations about their muslim population being their normal selves under western rule, doesn't fly man! If a muslim living in Germany chooses to live as the Germans do she has the right to be protected from her pycho family trying to sew up her vagina or kill her for marring a German man. That is not human rights, you have those set aside for your men folk, a woman is a second class citizen.

Yes I do believe in Profiling, how the hell else are we going to find out who is the terrorist and who isn't. If we are looking for a man with a turban on you don't start by looking up grandmas a$$ in the airport. That is a waste of time.

Islam does not allow you to kill a muslim (regardless of gender) unless he leaves Islam there is no any other reason
Lets talk about these statements here;

It is these types of statements that make people in America worry about the people of Islamic faith, You can not kill another muslim but you can kill a Christian and be rewarded! If you leave Islam it is punishable by death, "LET FREEDOM RING" sounds like a civilized nation to me!!! Where do I sign - up?


As for a rewritable CD, I think you should expand your mind and try new things, maybe take your woman or is it women... out for a stroll and let them walk in front of you on the street in Sudan with their hair showing and let some tourist take pictures of your her or them.

I challenge you to bring proofs from either from the Quran or authentic hadeeth to support your out of context claim! Otherwise I will consider you either ignorant or just a deceiver trying to spread hate.

Well.....how about the obvious -- that is, the ease with which Muslims kill and torture each other, over anything and everything? If you can get stoned to death or get your tongue sliced out of your pie-hole, or your limbs chopped off for not growing a beard, or for letting your female ankles show in public, why not DEATH for abandoning Islam? Yeah.....if you can get your head lopped off for simply offending any one of the zillions of deranged clerics roaming Muslim society, I'd imagine getting killed, incinerated, torn to bits, and then fed to starving rats for changing your religion would be a shoe-in. :headbang:

She was quoting politically-wrong.

To: Sword of God -
I assume that you are a peaceful and loving person. Do you speak up against the vile radical element that tortures and kills innocents in the name of Allah?

Any Religion when debated is criticized using the teachings outlined in its sacred book(s) not by picking lies from anti-Islam media (Fox News, CNN, etc..) or anti-Islam websites!

You don't want me to flood this thread with documented quoted passages from your own man-made bible proving how the bible is full of horrible terrorism and killing teachings even killing babies! Do you want me here to make a documented comparison between the Noble Quran and your own Bible on any issue you want !? Only I will use exact Quranic and biblical quotations.



To show how hypocritical you are with a dark heart full of hate, and how you are not trusting the teachings of Jesus who told you to love even your enemies I am quoting here what you have just wrote above about Muslims (http://www.conflictingviews.com/t1766-3/#post31742):

First prove to me without any doubt that what you claim were done by Muslims. Your sources are from anti-Islam media sources like FOX NEWS and CNN or from anti-Islam websites.

But I can prove to you that Christian American/Europeian and Jewish Israelies armies have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people including children and they still continue to commit their war crimes till now.

Okay I'm up for the challenge since I've read the Satanic Versus (Koran) myself. For those with a short attention span please take the time to read these versus from the Koran, and decide for yourself is this not a religion that preaches pure hatred against us infidels and Jews.

From the Koran: Hatred and Hell

Question:
Does Islam teach hatred of non-believers?


Summary Answer:
There is no place in the Qur'an where Muhammad commands Muslims to love people of other religions. By contrast there are at least three dozen verses that tell Muslims to fight against non-Muslims and about 500 that speak of their place in Hell. They are from each period in Muhammad's life, scattered across 87 of the Qur'an's 114 chapters.

To put this in perspective, nearly one out of twelve verses in the Qur'an says that Allah hates non-Muslims to the extent that he will torment them for eternity in horrible ways. The Suras that make reference to this comprise about 95% of the Qur'an's total volume. If Allah creates infidels merely to fuel the fires of Hell, then there is little reason for Muslims to believe that such lives are of any worth in this world either.



The Qur'an:
As mentioned, there are nearly 500 verses from 87 Suras that speak of Hell. This is just a sample:

Sura (40:71-72) - When the fetters and the chains shall be on their necks; they shall be dragged Into boiling water, then in the fire shall they be burned

Sura (22:19-21) - But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads; Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron

Sura (4:56) - Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise

Sura (56:92-94) - But if he is of the rejecters, the erring, then the welcome will be boiling water and roasting at hell-fire


As to what regard Muslims are to show for those who don't believe, the Qur'an says to be ruthless toward them, since they are going to Hell anyway:

Sura (9:73) - O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination



Sura (66:9) - O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end.



Sura (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve

Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!

Sura (4:52) - Those (Christians) are they whom Allah hath cursed...

Sura (4:47) - O you (Jews) who have been given the Book! believe that which We have revealed, verifying what you have, before We alter faces then turn them on their backs, or curse them as We cursed the violaters of the Sabbath, and the command of Allah shall be executed.

Sura (5:59-60) - This verse begets the infamous belief on the part of some Muslims that Jews are descended from swine and apes, since it says that wicked Jews (at least) were transformed by Allah in the past. (See also 2:64)

The Qur'an also contains dozens of verses that specifically describe Jews in the ugliest, most hateful terms. These parts of the Qur'an are indistinguishable from hate literature.




From the Hadith:



There are hundreds of verses from the traditions that speak of violence and hatred against non-Muslims, particularly Allah's intense dislike, manifested by his plans to physically torture them for eternity.



Bukhari (54:487) - Someone asked, "O Allah's Apostle This (ordinary) fire would have been sufficient (to torture the unbelievers)," Allah's Apostle said, "The (Hell) Fire has 69 parts more than the ordinary (worldly) fire, each part is as hot as this (worldly) fire." In other words, ordinary fire isn't hot enough to torture non-Muslims. Therefore the fire in Hell is 69 times hotter.



Bukhari (2:28) - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).



Muslim (40:6831) - Non-Muslims in Hell will be given thick skin so as to prolong their agony (before they are given fresh skin for a new round of torture - Sura 4:56).



Bukhari (59:727) - Allah's Apostle [said]... "Allah's curse be on the Jews and the Christians" This was spoken on Muhammad's death bed, and was one of the last things that he ever said.



Ishaq 240 - "The Jews are a nation of liars.... The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people"




Additional Notes: Not feeling the love of this peaceful religion? I wonder why when it preaches this kind of hatred and it's legal in the US.


Take the most popular example, Sura (2:62) - "Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." Well, if this isn't universal tolerance for other faiths, then what is?


Now here's more from the Religion of Peace and Hatred:
The Qur'an:

Sura (2:191) - And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]



Sura (2:244) - Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.



Sura (2:216) - Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.



Sura (3:56) - As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.



Sura (3:151) - Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority. This speaks directly of killing Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').



Sura (4:74) - Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.



Sura (4:76) - Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah?



Sura (4:89) - They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks



Sura (4:95) - Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-



Sura (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement



Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them



Sura (8:15) - O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end.



Sura (8:39) - And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah



Sura (8:57) - If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.



Sura (8:59-60) - And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy



Sura (9:5) - So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them



Sura (9:14) - Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace...



Sura (9:20) - Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant. The "striving" spoken of here is Jihad.



Sura (9:29) - Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.


Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!



Sura (9:38-39) - O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.



Sura (9:41) - Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew


Sura (9:73) - O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination



Sura (9:88) - But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.


Sura (9:111) - Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.



Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness



Sura (21:44) - We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?



Sura (25:52) - Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness, with the (Qur'an). "Strive against" is Jihad, obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.



Sura (47:4) - So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,



Sura (47:35) - Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost: for Allah is with you,



Sura (48:17) - There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.



Sura (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves



Sura (61:4) - Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way



Sura (61:10-12) - O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?- That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity. This verse was given in battle. It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.



Sura (66:9) - O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end.



From the Hadith:



Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."



Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.



Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)



Abu Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious



Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah



Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah



Muslim (1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause..."



Muslim (20:4645) - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"



Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill.



Ishaq: 327 ?Allah said, ?A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.??

So in summary this religion was a man made religion from a man who had sex with children. He also had terrible seizures in a cave and that's when voices in his head would tell him what to write that is what is preached as Islam. Today we'd call it a mental health issue and give the poor sod drugs to stop the voices. Sadly millions follow a belief created by a man who was mentally ill and we wonder why they strap bombs on their children.

Sword,

All I know is what I've learned, seen, and heard, over the last 50 years. Nothing along those lines concernng Islam has been very positive. Nothing. You'll have to show me something before I can change my mind. What can the Muslim world show the West right now that might serve that purpose?

Now you have to be ready for the challenge. You have lied and tried to decieve the readers that you have "yourself" read the Noble Quran "yourself" and accordingly you picked those verses (out of context as usaul) yourself!

Now let me expose your deception and big LIE and expose your ignorance not even in Quran but first of all in your man-made bbile. It's funny that you flunk in the very simple test in your man-made bible and then you claim you have knowledge in the Noble Quran !! Just funny.

You have done nothing but you just copied and pasted the whole article from the following anti-Islam hate website which is full of lies and deception: This is the website TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Hatred and Hell


Then, you should have noticed that We Muslims do not have anything to hide about our Religion. I have posted a thread entitled " The Journey into the Hereafter: Life After Death" in this forum (check it where I have posted several Quranic verses about how Allah (God) will punish and torture the disbelievers in the hearafter http://www.conflictingviews.com/t1648/). So That part I have already posted it myself.

Regarding the order to fight the non-believers, sure what do you expect when those non-believers fight Muslims and try to prevent the message of Truth to be conveyed to the people peacefully!!!? Do you want Allah to order Muslims to let their enemies to slutter them and kill Muslims without fighting back !!!

Most of those verses you just copied and pasted blindly were taken out of their context. You need to read the Quran yourself then come with knoweldge and post your accusations.

Islam is the religion of JUST. I can show you here few examples about the Justice in Quran and Islam:

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"

"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)"

"If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. (The Noble Quran, 5:28)"

"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:8)"

"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)"

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)"

"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (The Noble Quran, 15:2-3)"

"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......(The Noble Quran, 18:29)"

"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL mankind, against their will, to believe! (The Noble Quran, 10:99)"

"Say: 'Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (The Noble Quran, 24:54)"

"Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)"


Allah Almighty loves those who restrain anger: "Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men; for Allah loves those who do good. (The Noble Quran, 3:134)"

Noble Verse 42:40 "The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah: for (Allah) Loveth not those who do wrong."

"Because of that We (Allah) ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by All?h by committing the major sins) in the land!." [The Noble Quran 5:32]

The so-called "Jihad" Noble Verses came for specific times and places. They don't apply for all times and everybody! I can't slay you, a non-Muslim, just because you're not a Muslim. The pagan Arabs were very hostile people and only knew the sword as an answer. Many wars were imposed upon the Muslims, and thus, it is only normal and natural to find Noble Verses that deal with these specific hostile situations. But the Ultimate and Overall Message of the Noble Quran is PEACE, as clearly proven in the Noble Verses above.

Narrated Aisha: "Whenever the Prophet was given an option between two things, he used to select the easier of the tow as long as it was not sinful; but if it was sinful, he would remain far from it. By Allah, he never took revenge for himself concerning any matter that was presented to him, but when Allah's Limits were transgressed, he would take revenge for Allah's Sake. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Limits and Punishments set by Allah (Hudood), Volume 8, Book 81, Number 777)"

The Prophet (PBUH) said, "When Allah had finished His creation, He wrote over his Throne: 'My Mercy preceded My Anger.'

Here, I post only few passages of many from your man-made fabricated bible where no sensible person can ever imagine that they really could have been inspired by God:

Numbers 31:17-18 "Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

Samuel 15:3 “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass”

Psalm 137:9 O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock! (A praise for dashing little children against rocks as a form of revenge)

Exo 32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

Deuteronomy 7:12 God ordered the Israelites to kill all the people of seven nations. He even adds, “show no mercy unto them”.

(Isaiah:13:16)-(Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.)



We find it to be absolutely ridiculous that the bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about "love your enemy", and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men, women (old and young).

I challenge any Jew or Christian to produce ONE, JUST ONE Noble Verse from the Muslims' Noble Quran that condones killing of innocent children, women or even hostile enemy men who drop their weapons before Muslims (surrender).

i can bring you proof if you want, but before that answer me, what does Islam say about those who leaves Islam?

Kill the Koran

thanks thats what i wanted you to clarify thats all.



well here comes up some differences of culture and religion,
1- in our society the family rules over the state, the state can not decide over the family, for something to do with one of its members .
2- and about sewing up vagina's, again thats a cultural practice not religious, i would be glad if the UN makes a resolution forbidding this practice and forces all nations to abide by it.
3- If she wants to marry a german, so be it, but In Islam she has to marry a muslim, if he was german or otherwise doesnot matter.



you know iam tired of answering these alligations, will not anymore, its useless, one can not rewrite a writable cd




No you dont believe in profiling :wtf: , you just dont give a damn about human rights when it comes to muslims.



:wtf: when did that happen? , people of america worry about the people of Islamic faith?!! oh iam sorry you were actually joking, loooolz i get it now.

get serious will ya.



Iam sorry but i missed the part where you became an authority on Islamic studies !! dont make statements like this one , it reduces credibility tremendously, you dont know my religion more than me, show me where it says kill christians and get rewarded, but ofcourse you can not help it, you are just a CD that cannot change the info stored.



well its non of your business isnot it, let us worry about that, if you dont like that about Islam then dont become one.



its woman , secodly we go out every friday evening and when ever we get enough time, we both like to walk beside each other on the beach, and i never asked her to cover her hair, change that dress, or anything like that, she chooses to do so by free will if i expressed displeasure (we love each other u know), and i always try to follow suit when she expresses displeasure at something, about tourists taking pictures of her i would not let any of them near her (she is stunning and men can not help staring i can live with that, but pictures !! no way) , i dont trust their mentality, and that has nothing to do with anything, its pointless, we share a very understanding relationship, i can not imagine my self marrying anyother women beside her, because they have and will all pale in comparison, she enjoys an amount of respect and truthfullness from me that no western women ever did from any man.

Yes, in Islam anyone who leaves Islam can be punished by killing him but that is done under the Islamic State rule only and under restricted conditions.

Bring your proofs so we can discuss them and I will discuss the issue of the punishment of those who leave Islam. We hide nothing in our religion and we're proud of it because it the TRUTH, the only true religion from the Creator.

Be careful that according to the Bible, You must Kill those who reject the God of Israel as this teaching is emphasized in the Bible but those ignorant Jews and christians do not read their bible or try to deny it (or hide it). I will show you those biblical passages when you bring your proofs.

Well, Sword, you better hope Christians and Jews don't interpret the Bible as you do. If they do and when you and your ilk succeed in another major attack, our (western or non-islamic civilization's) diversity will do you in.

We have sooo many atheists, humanists, new agers, and just downright heretical Christians who believe what they want to believe and do not believe in forgiveness or turning the other check. New agers believe the eastern religions that teach everything is everything so nothing is valuable or owned by anyone. In fact most believe in doing unto others before they can do unto you. Oh, I forgot to mention the Muslims in our countries who have grown fond of their luxury and priviledge.

OK back to what may do you in if/when your ilk succeed in another attack. In the 70s, when the first oil crisis raised its head, there were many, many cries of nuke em (the rag heads) till they glow (not just glow in the dark). That was over oil and the price of oil. Those aren't Christian sentiments.

The arab oil cartel flexed its muscle a bit too vigorously. I believe, based on our more diverse societies, this sentiment will result in more than just talk the next time. The options we had in the 70s were more varied and numerous than now. Now, we have a greater proliferation of threats we are unprepared for. This will narrow the options our "leadership" can use to address the threat(s). In other words, be careful what you pray for.