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The weak lame and lazy in Society.

 
 
Red cv
 
Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2007 01:26 pm
Feel free to add those you feel are weak, lame and lazy.

This is one issue that gets me froathing at the mouth, welfare. In Canada a female needs only to give birth once and she's set for a life time of welfare. I see hardworking single moms who work two jobs just to survive and I see welfare moms who do nothing but have more children. When did it become socially acceptable to have multiple children (usually the men are one night stands or sperm donars-unknownly) by different fathers? Why is okay for these women to live off the public tit for a life time? They are able to work but they choose to have multiple kids and live on welfare. It's become a career for these women, they pass on their lack of morals and work ethic to their children and the cycle is repeated. We have three generations of welfare moms in my province. At some point these children feel the scorn directed at them from children who's parents work and contribute to the tax system. These children lack a male figure in their lives, they become criminally active very young. They drop out of school get pregnant or get a girl pregnant and the cycle continues. Entire communities have been built around the welfare mindset, they feel no shame or guilt. In fact most feel entitled to welfare.

We have seniors who paid in to our social programs for over fifthy years yet the get mere crumbs of cash to live on while the Welfare Rats get free medical, dental, baby necessities the list is endless. Those who pay into our government pension plan and are injured on the job get pensions that are not possible to live on (around 750 a month). Our welfare rats get around 2100 a month for two kids and it goes up by 540 a month per child if they have three or more. Which they usually do.

So this is socialism at it's finest, those who paid for a social safety net get just enough to exist but those who give nothing benifit the most. The children are the real victims, these women don't respect themselves very much if they lay down and have unprotected sex with the sole intent to get pregnant. If this issue is raised in Canada, you get your head ripped off. Most think it's okay to pay for generations of illigitimate children. I DON'T.

Rant over.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2007 03:19 pm
@Red cv,
Red;32700 wrote:
Feel free to add those you feel are weak, lame and lazy.

This is one issue that gets me froathing at the mouth, welfare. In Canada a female needs only to give birth once and she's set for a life time of welfare. I see hardworking single moms who work two jobs just to survive and I see welfare moms who do nothing but have more children. When did it become socially acceptable to have multiple children (usually the men are one night stands or sperm donars-unknownly) by different fathers? Why is okay for these women to live off the public tit for a life time? They are able to work but they choose to have multiple kids and live on welfare. It's become a career for these women, they pass on their lack of morals and work ethic to their children and the cycle is repeated. We have three generations of welfare moms in my province. At some point these children feel the scorn directed at them from children who's parents work and contribute to the tax system. These children lack a male figure in their lives, they become criminally active very young. They drop out of school get pregnant or get a girl pregnant and the cycle continues. Entire communities have been built around the welfare mindset, they feel no shame or guilt. In fact most feel entitled to welfare.

We have seniors who paid in to our social programs for over fifthy years yet the get mere crumbs of cash to live on while the Welfare Rats get free medical, dental, baby necessities the list is endless. Those who pay into our government pension plan and are injured on the job get pensions that are not possible to live on (around 750 a month). Our welfare rats get around 2100 a month for two kids and it goes up by 540 a month per child if they have three or more. Which they usually do.

So this is socialism at it's finest, those who paid for a social safety net get just enough to exist but those who give nothing benifit the most. The children are the real victims, these women don't respect themselves very much if they lay down and have unprotected sex with the sole intent to get pregnant. If this issue is raised in Canada, you get your head ripped off. Most think it's okay to pay for generations of illigitimate children. I DON'T.

Rant over.



As a gay man, and as a man with a cousin who has psychological problems, yet managed to birth 7 or 8 offspring, which were cared for by her sisters, and abused by her father....I have no sympathy for women who give birth out of wedlock....pregnancy is not a requirement nor a condition destined for an outcome. So, don't look at me....I ain't the culprit. I do believe in accountability...the resulting children are not to be blamed, however.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2007 03:36 pm
@Red cv,
Who is this person and what did you do with Aaron, LOL.
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Red cv
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2007 04:17 pm
@Red cv,
Good post a, I give spelling your name incorrectly.

I don't care if women have children out of wedlock, I just don't want to pay a life time of welfare for their choice of life style. It's the children A that suffer thou, no role models. Every male that comes into their lives is Daddy, these kids suffer because of the actions of the mother. It's a cycle that seems to be unbreakable.
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politically-wrong
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 01:42 am
@Red cv,
You do have a big problem on your hands , this is BS , people who work for years abiding the law and paying tax , their biggest crimes are overspeeding , and they dont get enough social security , while some shitheads function as a public reproduction centre and get cash rewards for every hit , this is sick , within a decade or two your country will know what its like to have LA crime statistics.

P.S. those crime rates are not because of those children without fathers , they are because of pissed of law abidding citizens who's patience just dries up one day and they blow hell.
Red cv
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 12:07 pm
@politically-wrong,
politically-wrong;32823 wrote:
You do have a big problem on your hands , this is BS , people who work for years abiding the law and paying tax , their biggest crimes are overspeeding , and they dont get enough social security , while some ****heads function as a public reproduction centre and get cash rewards for every hit , this is sick , within a decade or two your country will know what its like to have LA crime statistics.

P.S. those crime rates are not because of those children without fathers , they are because of pissed of law abidding citizens who's patience just dries up one day and they blow hell.



It's already a huge problem gangs are the latest new thing in our Major cities. Welcome to the socialist utopia, you pay a life time of crippling taxes to support minority life styles. Canada has become crippled with socialist idiology, it sounds great on paper but someone has to pay for it and it's always the middle to high income earners that get fleeced. We have a con minority government but he can't get anything done because the socialist NDP and Liberals block him at every turn.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 07:57 pm
@Red cv,
Somehow I've become irrelevant.
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 11:08 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;32966 wrote:
Somehow I've become irrelevant.


Never, my friend.
mommamia
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 06:42 am
@Red cv,
It's no better in America. I know a family, they have 5 kids under 10. They live in govt. housing, get free govt. medical care, and everytime they have another kid their food stamp allotment goes up by $115, not including the free cereal, milk, juice, cheese, eggs and other things they get on the WIC program. HEAP pays their electric and heat bills. She doesn't work, he works a little here and there. So all of their neccesities are taken care of by hard working taxpayers, and they spend all the money they do make buying name brand clothes and shoes for themselves and their kids. Really it makes me sick to hear them talk about the latest shopping trip, knowing that despite all our hard work, we cannot afford these things for our kids. And worse the way she insists that her family somehow deserve these things.

And the way they feel we all somehow owe it to them, please, the kids are spoiled brats who cry if they don't get the latest games and toys. They have no concept of saving energy, or money. Of course both of their parents were on welfare, and thier children will probably be on welfare. And as she told me, as long as she has a kid every year or so, the state won't make her work. He works just enough to get around the state work requirements.

The welfare state breeds this kind of behavior. All payed for by those of us who learned young to work hard for what we want.
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briansol
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 01:33 pm
@Red cv,
i hate people like this. and i've ranted about it before with my pro-abortion bill and sterlization that no one seemed to agree with me on:D
briansol
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 01:35 pm
@Red cv,
if you're interested, that rant starts about here:
http://www.conflictingviews.com/t327/#post14196
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wvpeach
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 04:09 pm
@Red cv,
So how do you choose between a woman who maybe say had a husband run out on her and left her and the kids to fend for themselves.

Do those women have a big HR for Husband Ran on the back of their shirts as opposed to welfare whore WW on their shirt.

Or how about a molested young woman who happens to get pregnant

should she wear molested across her chest so judgemental asses don't think she is a welfare whore?

Or how about the foster care mother who keeps kids for a living, but has no husband, does she need to wear a sweater with foster care written on it so she doesn't get mistaken for a welfare whore?

Or the woman who's husband died , leaving her and her children, should she wear a tag that says widow so she is not mistaken for a welfare whore?

People astound me. So judgemental.

A womans fertility only lasts so long, eventually if they really are welfare whores they are going to be flat out of luck. When those ovaries stop working, and the last kid is gone they will pay for their life style as bitter broke old women.

In the mean time I really am curious, how do you tell the difference between a woman with a dead husband, deserted woman, or a foster mother and a welfare whore ? I am interested.
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 04:14 pm
@briansol,
briansol;33370 wrote:
i hate people like this. and i've ranted about it before with my pro-abortion bill and sterlization that no one seemed to agree with me on:D


I am also pro-abortion and sterilization for anyone with an IQ less that 100 and an income less than $100,000 per annum.
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mommamia
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 05:25 pm
@wvpeach,
wvpeach;33421 wrote:
So how do you choose between a woman who maybe say had a husband run out on her and left her and the kids to fend for themselves.

Do those women have a big HR for Husband Ran on the back of their shirts as opposed to welfare whore WW on their shirt.

Or how about a molested young woman who happens to get pregnant

should she wear molested across her chest so judgemental asses don't think she is a welfare whore?

Or how about the foster care mother who keeps kids for a living, but has no husband, does she need to wear a sweater with foster care written on it so she doesn't get mistaken for a welfare whore?

Or the woman who's husband died , leaving her and her children, should she wear a tag that says widow so she is not mistaken for a welfare whore?

People astound me. So judgemental.

A womans fertility only lasts so long, eventually if they really are welfare whores they are going to be flat out of luck. When those ovaries stop working, and the last kid is gone they will pay for their life style as bitter broke old women.

In the mean time I really am curious, how do you tell the difference between a woman with a dead husband, deserted woman, or a foster mother and a welfare whore ? I am interested.


How about if we just let private charities and family make the choice? Really it doesn't matter to me how she got in that boat, it is not my responsibility. I'm not against charity, damn I spent 2 years of my life voluntarily working with the homeless. I got arrested and fined for feeding homeless in COlorado Springs. But I don't like the idea of state theft of my money to support those I would not choose to support, nor the whole entitlement attitude it breeds. Whatever happened to working for what you need?
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Red cv
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 06:11 pm
@wvpeach,
wvpeach;33421 wrote:
So how do you choose between a woman who maybe say had a husband run out on her and left her and the kids to fend for themselves.

Do those women have a big HR for Husband Ran on the back of their shirts as opposed to welfare whore WW on their shirt.

Or how about a molested young woman who happens to get pregnant

should she wear molested across her chest so judgemental asses don't think she is a welfare whore?

Or how about the foster care mother who keeps kids for a living, but has no husband, does she need to wear a sweater with foster care written on it so she doesn't get mistaken for a welfare whore?

Or the woman who's husband died , leaving her and her children, should she wear a tag that says widow so she is not mistaken for a welfare whore?

People astound me. So judgemental.

A womans fertility only lasts so long, eventually if they really are welfare whores they are going to be flat out of luck. When those ovaries stop working, and the last kid is gone they will pay for their life style as bitter broke old women.

In the mean time I really am curious, how do you tell the difference between a woman with a dead husband, deserted woman, or a foster mother and a welfare whore ? I am interested.


20 years of processing applications from time to time for the welfare hoes, and two of those were deserving the rest were lazy hoes.

The above women would be told to go get a job, it's only the young with no job skills that qualify for welfare.

A case in point: A friend of mine was gravely ill, a single mother of three children and she was so ill she dropped eighty pounds. She wanted to get sick leave from UI, Unemployment insurance, but it would take months of seeing their doctors before she qualified. She called welfare and asked for help, and they told her you have a job you don't qualify. She explained she was to sick to work, not our problem.

Another case: My sister, her husband up and walked out on her, she had gone back to school after having multiple surgeries on her shoulders. He had the power, phone and other utilities cut off to be hateful. Because her children were over 18 assitance denied.

Another case: A 16 gets pregnant and welfare asked where she wants her cheque debited? Yep because she has no job skills, no work experience she qualifys and those who need it (and what it was designed for) are rejected.

Becareful of worshiping social programs, they are rarely used by those who need them but the funds always go to those who abuse them.
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wvpeach
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 06:40 pm
@Red cv,
Red

wow , why would they give the job processing welfare applications to somebody who its obvious has so much contempt for the people they deal with every day?

Seems its always that way though. They find people who don't want to do a particular job and that is who they put doing it.

I have been a volunteer domestic violence advocate for several years. I found that utterly depressing after awhile and now am power of attorney for the elders without family in nursing homes.( Almost as depressing)

You should know that their is aid for dependent children. Which anybody can get for 2 years if they have children under 18. During that two years they have to be attempting to go to school or work training. Yeah they can have another baby and extend the period. But thankfully not many really want to saddle them selves with another child, because eventually they will put them to work, even if its 20 hours a week cleaning toilets at the court house.

Aid for dependent children is just that,for families with children under 18 . They do not help adults without children


Adults without children have to be really chronic ill or a severe drugie or booze swiller to get social security. Social security disability , which just like most insurance companies has the motto to deny, deny , deny and hope the people go away. or die before they ever get approved. Your friend would need to apply to this program and she'd be healed before she ever got approved. i have seen numerous people die of cancer trying to get social security disability without ever getting approved. They do seem to approve drug addicts the mentally ill and whino's though pretty quick , go figure.:dunno:

Maybe it would be a good thing to remember that except for the grace of God, we could be in that same situation.

That is why I volunteer, I try to do something for others in appreciation of the fact my life is pretty darn good. thank you God
Red cv
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 07:27 pm
@wvpeach,
wvpeach;33451 wrote:
Red

wow , why would they give the job processing welfare applications to somebody who its obvious has so much contempt for the people they deal with every day?

Seems its always that way though. They find people who don't want to do a particular job and that is who they put doing it.

I have been a volunteer domestic violence advocate for several years. I found that utterly depressing after awhile and now am power of attorney for the elders without family in nursing homes.( Almost as depressing)

You should know that their is aid for dependent children. Which anybody can get for 2 years if they have children under 18. During that two years they have to be attempting to go to school or work training. Yeah they can have another baby and extend the period. But thankfully not many really want to saddle them selves with another child, because eventually they will put them to work, even if its 20 hours a week cleaning toilets at the court house.

Aid for dependent children is just that,for families with children under 18 . They do not help adults without children


Adults without children have to be really chronic ill or a severe drugie or booze swiller to get social security. Social security disability , which just like most insurance companies has the motto to deny, deny , deny and hope the people go away. or die before they ever get approved. Your friend would need to apply to this program and she'd be healed before she ever got approved. i have seen numerous people die of cancer trying to get social security disability without ever getting approved. They do seem to approve drug addicts the mentally ill and whino's though pretty quick , go figure.:dunno:

Maybe it would be a good thing to remember that except for the grace of God, we could be in that same situation.

That is why I volunteer, I try to do something for others in appreciation of the fact my life is pretty darn good. thank you God



Really well I have a degree in Criminology and I've worked with the Justice Department, my sole role in the beginning: Women's Shelters. Three generations of women using the system and yet no results. Frankly the cycle will continue until we either stop funding programs for certain families or they grow up and accept they are the problem and don't deserve the programs they abuse. At Christmas one year they dropped their kids off so they could have a time out. They spent the season getting drunk with their abuser and then came back to pick up the kids after the money ran out. I've seen every side of life there is, and frankly they rather wallow in misery than change their appalling behavior. I left that job because the second you held that abusive husband accountable those women became as violent as the men they say they wanted to flee from. A great scam on the public, women's shelters thrive while the same families live a life style that is beyond offensive and continue to scream victim. I don't think so, don't marry a drunk who's your first cousin and the problem's solved. Stupid is as stupid does and for how long do I have to pay for these simpering lazy hoes. The children of these drunks and hoes are the real victims, they shouldn't be allowed to raise a tomatoe let alone children.

Spare me the mellow drama, seen it been there and don't care anymore. The poor like to scream victim, really why not get off their lazy ass and stop being a victim. I was raised in a family of seven kids, ranging from ten months apart. My parents didn't need to suck the life blood out of the tax payer, they tought me work ethics and responsibility. Something the poor in Canada and US are absolved of by the left. Hay they like them to live with the victim mentality so they can get the vote. Rock on but I've seen the true face of the poor. Lazy is one word I'd describe them, the second word is entitled to what ever they want at Tax Payers Expense.

The only thing Liberals hate more than the truth is they use people to get elected. Keep the poor down and you will govern. The fact is that the poor make a choice and I have to pay for it.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 07:30 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;32977 wrote:
Never, my friend.


Millon de gracias, amigo. Millon de gracias.
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wvpeach
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 10:00 pm
@Red cv,
Red

I know it can get frustrating, no doubt. I have been blessed with three healthy kids and a good life. So I taught my kids to give something back.

I've not seen the worst side of it as you have I'm sure. But I have seen a lot.

My son who is a teacher is the educational director of a large boys and girls club. I get volunteered there often. Those kids really are in bad homes, most of them at least. How can we just leave them , without trying to help ?

I would have to agree for every one that straightens up and wants to make something of their lives , 30 turn out just like mom or dad who are not doing much to contribute to society.

But for the sake of that one in every 30 , we have to as a society , keep them fed, and give them oppurtunities for education and to make a better life than their parents gave them.

The public schools cannot be left in the mess they are in and as communities we have to give the kids in the community , a sense of belonging, work to learn responsibility from and some basic moral instruction as many get none at home. Things like do not steal , and the truth is always the way to go is not something these kids are told at home.

Red What do you suggest happen to all these kids who never get a chance at a decent life if nobody steps in and helps a little?:dunno:
politically-wrong
 
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Reply Wed 29 Aug, 2007 02:41 am
@wvpeach,
wvpeach;33474 wrote:
Red

I know it can get frustrating, no doubt. I have been blessed with three healthy kids and a good life. So I taught my kids to give something back.

I've not seen the worst side of it as you have I'm sure. But I have seen a lot.

My son who is a teacher is the educational director of a large boys and girls club. I get volunteered there often. Those kids really are in bad homes, most of them at least. How can we just leave them , without trying to help ?

I would have to agree for every one that straightens up and wants to make something of their lives , 30 turn out just like mom or dad who are not doing much to contribute to society.

But for the sake of that one in every 30 , we have to as a society , keep them fed, and give them oppurtunities for education and to make a better life than their parents gave them.

The public schools cannot be left in the mess they are in and as communities we have to give the kids in the community , a sense of belonging, work to learn responsibility from and some basic moral instruction as many get none at home. Things like do not steal , and the truth is always the way to go is not something these kids are told at home.

Red What do you suggest happen to all these kids who never get a chance at a decent life if nobody steps in and helps a little?:dunno:



i can not speak for the US , but i will offer my own experience at home , i suppose the federal government should let religion play a more active role in this problem, alot of people have sceptical opinions of religion but atleast this is one area where its the best motivator , and as christianity is the most common religion the church should lead the public in a kind of social coupe or whatever , the government should incourage the church and all other religious bodies to concentrate on this , the faithfull are the most forgiving and peace loving of all humans , the christians have all ready proved they can do well for those deserving help , let Islam , Jewisim, Hinduisim and all other religions compete in the same way , i suppose this is one area where i will encourage competition between religions for the sake of the greater good of all people .
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