Cultural Decline in the West

The West is in a cultural free-fall. I blame it on the media, opportunistic politicians, runaway illegal immigration and our court system. Decent people have been under steady assault by 'The System' since the 1960s. Good folks must ban together and wage a relentless cultural war against the scum who are taking over the West. And on both sides of my line of demarcation, I see people of all races, creeds and colors. I'm an Equal Opportunity malcontent. :headbang:

Pino must surely be speaking of the ill effects of hip hop society on the youth of America.
He must be addressing the dis-respect of anything having to do with authority or decency.

Authority and decency are not synonyms, sometimes authority may be opposed to whats decent.

The (so called) music leading the way in developing nasty and hateful attitudes of teens that make an unsafe environment for anyone crossing paths with hip hoppers.
Or, possibly the idea that the purveyors of justice, DA's, judges and law enforcement have made the conscious decision that some laws of our land are simply not worthy of enforcement.

like the laws about defacing of money, driving 1 mph over the speed limit, or even the laws against having pigs in town without nose rings?

You know, the laws regarding the process of immigration to our nation.

they do enforce these laws yet they don't have the kind of manpower or determination to stop ALL illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigration has less of an effect on the nation than the fact that certain authorities have decided to not enforce the laws of our land. What will be the next group of laws that will ignored?

in some states durring the great depression it was illegal to frown.

I feel safe in the idea that traffic laws will not suffer the fate of being ignored. It creates a massive source of revenue.

that's not true at all. My brother is a police officer, do you think he pulls over people driving 5 mph over the speed limit?

1. Authority and decency are not synonyms, sometimes authority may be opposed to whats decent.

2. like the laws about defacing of money, driving 1 mph over the speed limit, or even the laws against having pigs in town without nose rings?

3. they do enforce these laws yet they don't have the kind of manpower or determination to stop ALL illegal immigrants.

4. in some states durring the great depression it was illegal to frown.

5. that's not true at all. My brother is a police officer, do you think he pulls over people driving 5 mph over the speed limit?

1. Yes, it may be. But corruption of law or inappropriate laws have had a much smaller impact on the decline of standards of morality on the average American than hip hop society has.

True history proves you wrong, g-man.
1. Corruption and inappropriate laws are what led to urban unrest and by extension- hip hop.

2. The US has used long used laws to subjugate minorities. Jim Crow era laws were around until the 1970's and the structural forces that affect where most Blacks sit in the strata may be hard for most people to identify, but they exist. Capitalism feeds off of inequality- divide and rule, baby.

3. So, you claim that arbitrary laws and institutional discrimination are somehow more "moral" than the music that comes as a result of them? :dunno:

1. Hip Hop came to fruition in the 90's. Hog wash to rule of civility being the driving force for it's inception.
2. Capitalism is the avenue to success. The failures that occur within it's realm are simply the results of bad decisions and sometimes bad luck.
You'll be hard pressed to provide evidence of a successful 100% fair socialist endeavor that has succeeded as the example for us to abandon capitalism for. Law does not subjugate anyone. It provides the tools to deal with those who think their needs or desires take precedence over the rights of fellow citizens.
3. Everything is more moral than hip hop. Hip Hop is almost as low a life style as man can stoop to.

Capitalism feeds off of inequality- divide and rule, baby.

M.E. Liana -

I am puzzled by your statement. Are you presenting it as fact or opinion..? What would you propose it its place..?

I don't propose anything in it's place. Like someone stated above, there are flaws in any economic system.


One flaw of capitalism that ethnic antagonism serves the interest of the capitalist class (the ones who actually control the means of economic production) by fragmenting the working class. This makes the working class easier to control because if the ethnic elements are pitted against each other, they are less likely to unite in opposition.

Is it fact or opinion? I guess it depends on who or what theory you want to believe.

Marxian theorists will tell you that in the US, any conflict between black and white workers deflects attention from the shared anticapitalist interests of both groups. So, using that theory, one could say that prejudice is a means of sustaining a system of economic exploitation. The benefits of that are seen by the capitalist class.

Personally, I support capitalism, but not as a completely unregulated economy because there are too many possibilities of abuse of people and the environment. I think we should keep more of a mixed market.

May I ask.. are you enrolled in a state university getting a well rounded liberal arts education..?

Been there, done that- though I did it at a private college.



Was I sounding young and idealistic? I'm thirty and resigned. :p

1. Yes, it may be. But corruption of law or inappropriate laws have had a much smaller impact on the decline of standards of morality on the average American than hip hop society has.

Can you back that statement up or are you just Bullshitting me?

2. All minor issues in the overall scope of things. Something for the average American to read and chuckle about in the odd news section. Nothing to do with the cultural decline of the west which this thread is concerned with.

My point is not all laws are enforced, which has alot to do with what you said about officers not enforcing certain laws.

3. Wrong. Many enforcement agencies have been ordered to
"not" ask a traffic violator their citizenship status. And if so inclined I can provide evidence that the judicial system has ignored the status of illegals in dealing with criminal cases.

What does citizenship have to do with a traffic violation? As a police officer you cannot just ask for somone's citizenship staus for the same reason you can't ask someone if they are high unless you have "reasonable suspicion"

4. What does this have to do with the subject? Bad laws created in the 19th century are simply ignored and never enforced as common sense demands.

my point is not all laws are enforced.

5. I'm sure that "your" brother is above reproach simply because he is "your" brother. If he is a traffic cop, he is nothing more than a revenue collector for the particular branch of government he works for. Traffic tickets have become a major source of revenue for city, county and state governments.

Just because it is revenue for the department doesn't mean he is going to persue frivolious infractions.

1. Wrong.

2. First off, I am not an advocate for socialism. Second, you have the typical response of someone who is poorly educated on the subject of race and racism in this country. It's so much easier to blame the victim. Law does not subjugate anyone? I am truly curious to hear what your views on Affirmative Action are. I have a feeling that you would feel that law was subjugating the "white man" in that case.

It's all relative.

3. What's so bad about hip hip, in your eyes? What is so low about the lifestyle?