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z0z0
 
Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2007 07:57 am
Might this apply to America society as well?


How Canadian are you?
Visible-minority immigrants and their children identify less and less with the country, report says

MARINA JIM?NEZ

From Friday's Globe and Mail

Visible-minority immigrants are slower to integrate into Canadian society than their white, European counterparts, and feel less Canadian, suggesting multiculturalism doesn't work as well for non-whites, according to a landmark report.

The study, based on an analysis of 2002 Statistics Canada data, found that the children of visible-minority immigrants exhibited a more profound sense of exclusion than their parents.

Visible-minority newcomers, and their offspring, identify themselves less as Canadians, trust their fellow citizens less and are less likely to vote than white immigrants from Europe.

The findings suggest that multiculturalism, Canada's official policy on interethnic relations since 1971, is not working as well for newer immigrants or for their children, who hail largely from China, South Asia and the Caribbean, conclude co-authors Jeffrey Reitz, a University of Toronto sociologist, and Rupa Banerjee, a doctoral candidate.

It is also a warning that Canada, long considered a model of integration, won't be forever immune from the kind of social disruption that has plagued Europe, where marginalized immigrant communities have erupted in discontent, with riots in the Paris suburbs in the fall of 2005.

"We need to address the racial divide," Prof. Reitz said. "Otherwise there is a danger of social breakdown. The principle of multiculturalism was equal participation of minorities in mainstream institutions. That is no longer happening."

The sense of exclusion among visible-minority newcomers is not based on the fact that they earn less than their white counterparts. Instead, the researchers found integration is impeded by the perception of discrimination, and vulnerability -- defined as feeling uncomfortable in social situations due to racial background and a fear of suffering a racial attack.

That is why even as the economic circumstances of newcomers improve over time, the path to integration does not necessarily become smoother for visible minorities.

The study found that 35 per cent of recent immigrants of Chinese origin reported experiences of perceived discrimination, 28 per cent of South Asians, and 44 per cent of blacks, compared with 19 per cent of whites.

The gap didn't narrow, but widened, with the next generation, with 42 per cent of all visible minority second-generation immigrants reporting discrimination, compared with 10.9 per cent of their white counterparts.

"There is a perception among minority communities that discrimination is part of their lives. Yet if you ask Canadians in general, they discount discrimination," Prof. Reitz noted.

The study, released yesterday by the Montreal-based Institute for Research on Public Policy, was based on the Ethnic Diversity Survey, which asked seven specific questions about integration. It is considered the best source of information on the topic because of the huge sample size (more than 40,000 respondents).

The study's authors found that only 33 per cent of first-generation visible-minority immigrants identified as Canadians, compared with 64 per cent of white immigrants, while 70 per cent voted in the last federal election, compared with 82 per cent of white immigrants. Seventy-nine per cent of visible-minority immigrants had Canadian citizenship, compared with 97 per cent of white immigrants.

Regarding interpersonal trust -- trust of one's fellow citizens -- the response of blacks was markedly lower. Thirty per cent of blacks trusted their fellow citizens, compared with 50 per cent of white immigrants and 60 per cent of Chinese immigrants.

As for the children of visible-minority immigrants, 44 per cent of them felt a sense of belonging, compared with about 60 per cent of their parents. In contrast, 57 per cent of the children of white immigrants felt a sense of belonging, compared with 47 per cent of their parents.

While Canadians in general remain supportive of immigration, they also maintain a "social distance" from minorities, reflected in the study's findings, the authors noted.

"When you study the trend over time, visible minorities who were born here feel less like they belong than their parents," Prof. Reitz said.

The research highlights an urgent issue: the failure to engage immigrants as full members of society, said Ratna Omidvar, executive director of the Maytree Foundation, a Toronto organization that works with immigrants. "Good multicultural policy must not only protect our rights to equality, but it must also create real opportunities," she said.

Added Prof. Reitz: "Multiculturalism doesn't have specific goals and objectives. The majority population thinks too much is being done already, while minorities think the policy lacks credibility."

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tumbleweed cv
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2007 12:03 pm
@z0z0,
I live about 5 miles from the Canadian border. I find you guys are too liberal.Very Happy
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z0z0
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2007 04:35 pm
@z0z0,
There is nothing wrong with being socially "Liberal". Can you explain what you mean by Liberal and what is bad about it?

Maybe we are just more socially evolved than Americans. We were close to decriminalizing marijuana and your George Bush pushed our government not to do it.

The one thing that I do not like about our society is discussed in the article - our multiculturalism hinders people from having a sense of being Canadian. We are nowhere near as patriotic and nationalistic as Americans - but that could be a good thing as well.
Brent cv
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2007 04:44 pm
@z0z0,
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and your George Bush pushed our government not to do it.


Sucks your own country has no balls to stand up for its own laws.
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z0z0
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2007 05:19 pm
@z0z0,
Who has the balls to stand up to the USA? Like Iraq?
tumbleweed cv
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2007 06:02 pm
@z0z0,
z0z0;9217 wrote:
There is nothing wrong with being socially "Liberal". Can you explain what you mean by Liberal and what is bad about it?

Maybe we are just more socially evolved than Americans. We were close to decriminalizing marijuana and your George Bush pushed our government not to do it.

The one thing that I do not like about our society is discussed in the article - our multiculturalism hinders people from having a sense of being Canadian. We are nowhere near as patriotic and nationalistic as Americans - but that could be a good thing as well.


What do you mean " socially evolved" Is that a dig?
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z0z0
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2007 08:08 pm
@z0z0,
Socially evolved =

1. We are Diplomats and Peacekeepers. We believe in finding mutually beneficial solutions to problems. One of our Prime Ministers - Pearson I believe won the Nobel Peace prize for setting up the concept of peacekeeping.

2. Universal Healthcare - which I know is abused and could be fixed but we believe everyone should have access to healthcare.

3. We are laissez-faire about small vices in life. Marijuana and Prostitution are not a big deal. Many of us want to decriminalize / legalize both.

4. We know that we are part of the world and not the masters of the world. We know how to play with the other kids in the schoolyard - we are not the schoolyard bullies.


That is just to start
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tumbleweed cv
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2007 08:31 pm
@z0z0,
1. I agree. You're country is non-aggressive.

2 You're healthcare system isn't exactly a state-of-the- art system. It has a lot of flaws you fail to mention.

3 That is a trademark liberal ideology.

4. Same as No.1.

By all means continue.:cool:
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Brent cv
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2007 09:03 pm
@z0z0,
z0z0;9222 wrote:
Who has the balls to stand up to the USA? Like Iraq?

What do you mean? You can't even pass your own laws regarding the legalization of marijuana because of another country. You equate passing a law like legalizing marijuana to Iraq standing up to us? That's genius.
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z0z0
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2007 10:01 pm
@z0z0,
Tumbleweed and Brent - Thank you for showing the superficial arrogance of the typical American.

Romans and the British thought in the same way as you do - but we all know where their empires ended up.

Pertaining to decriminalization of marijuana - do you think we have true sovereign power over something like that? When Bush-buy picks up the phone and says you will do what I say - can anyone really say no - especially when about 75% of our trade is with the US.

By the way - stupid superficial arrogance does not win you a lot of friends - but then again you probably do not care. For the record - for the most part - I do like the US and I do like Americans. Try not to prove me wrong - Drnaline is already showing off the dark intellectual underbelly of the US.

As for our healthcare - it might be flawed but no system is perfect (I stated that in my post). At least up here noone loses their home and life-savings if they get sick and no HMO will tell us that it is not cost-effective to heal/cure us. Tell me why your system is better (flawless?).

Socially evolved - I guess we are - even you state that we are non-aggressive. Thank you. We have learned how to live like civilized people. That is why the murder rate up here is less than 1/4 of the murder rate you folks have. Living in a society you need to know how to live with one another rather than thinking you are still in the jungle and only the strongest survive.
tumbleweed cv
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jan, 2007 06:11 am
@z0z0,
zozo

Who said ours was better or flawless? :wtf:

I know a lot of Canadians. I have family in Canada, so you can't bullshit me on matters to do with Canada. You can't come on here bragging that your system is any better than ours.

We like our system just as much as you like your system.If you want a pissing contest about who is better, you need to look at the facts.

Why to hell would you need a big military when your biggest trading partner and sister country would consider an attack on you the same as an attack on us? You're riding our coat tail on this issue.

Socially evolved.Is this some Newfie joke? Sounds like a Red Green script.Your not better, you're different.

I already explained some of the flaws in your healthcare system but you have you're earmuffs on so you can't hear or don't remember what I said about it.

Others on this board might not be as familiar with your country and your lifestyle the same as I am.I can see mountain ranges in New Brunswick from my house.Don't try to tell me **** about Canada I know to be different.

As for you gd TV programming. It sucks.Very Happy
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z0z0
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jan, 2007 03:27 pm
@z0z0,
Did you not read what I said? Here it is again

"2. Universal Healthcare - which I know is abused and could be fixed but we believe everyone should have access to healthcare."
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Brent cv
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jan, 2007 06:56 pm
@z0z0,
Quote:
Tumbleweed and Brent - Thank you for showing the superficial arrogance of the typical American.


Pass your own laws that affect only your people without other leaders of other countries stopping you and then get back to me.

Arrogance? Sure. Am I right though?
Brent cv
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jan, 2007 06:57 pm
@z0z0,
Quote:
"2. Universal Healthcare - which I know is abused and could be fixed but we believe everyone should have access to healthcare."


I believe that too. However obviously you guys didn't get it right when you did it, yet you expect us to hurry up and pass something just to have it with the outcome likely to be just an abused system like you guys have?
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z0z0
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jan, 2007 07:07 pm
@Brent cv,
Brent;9278 wrote:
Pass your own laws that affect only your people without other leaders of other countries stopping you and then get back to me.

Arrogance? Sure. Am I right though?


What is right is one thing.
What is possible is another.

What America wants = America gets

... for a while.

The nice thing about Canada is that it will be a bastion of freedom where smart Americans will be able to "Go off the grid" after the Fascist Powers of the US government start micro-chipping and tracking everyone after martial law is declared to fight the "enemy".
Curmudgeon
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jan, 2007 07:21 pm
@z0z0,
"The nice thing about Canada is that it will be a bastion of freedom where smart Americans will be able to "Go off the grid" after the Fascist Powers of the US government start micro-chipping and tracking everyone after martial law is declared to fight the "enemy"."

Do you honestly believe that would happen ? If so , please tell us how .
Drnaline
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jan, 2007 07:30 pm
@z0z0,
z0z0;9232 wrote:
Tumbleweed and Brent - Thank you for showing the superficial arrogance of the typical American.

Romans and the British thought in the same way as you do - but we all know where their empires ended up.

Pertaining to decriminalization of marijuana - do you think we have true sovereign power over something like that? When Bush-buy picks up the phone and says you will do what I say - can anyone really say no - especially when about 75% of our trade is with the US.

By the way - stupid superficial arrogance does not win you a lot of friends - but then again you probably do not care. For the record - for the most part - I do like the US and I do like Americans. Try not to prove me wrong - Drnaline is already showing off the dark intellectual underbelly of the US.

As for our healthcare - it might be flawed but no system is perfect (I stated that in my post). At least up here noone loses their home and life-savings if they get sick and no HMO will tell us that it is not cost-effective to heal/cure us. Tell me why your system is better (flawless?).

Socially evolved - I guess we are - even you state that we are non-aggressive. Thank you. We have learned how to live like civilized people. That is why the murder rate up here is less than 1/4 of the murder rate you folks have. Living in a society you need to know how to live with one another rather than thinking you are still in the jungle and only the strongest survive.
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Try not to prove me wrong - Drnaline is already showing off the dark intellectual underbelly of the US.

I guess this is my que to come in.
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Tumbleweed and Brent - Thank you for showing the superficial arrogance of the typical American.

Are you under the impression that your comments are not "superficial arrogance?"
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Romans and the British thought in the same way as you do - but we all know where their empires ended up.

Probably the same place your country is going to end up if the US ever gets beaten. Your vantage point comes from the point of privelidge. Guess who provides that privie?
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Pertaining to decriminalization of marijuana - do you think we have true sovereign power over something like that?

If you don't then that means Canada is our bitch. Your not sovereign your a subject.
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When Bush-buy picks up the phone and says you will do what I say - can anyone really say no

Yup, a person with principle would. Must not be alot of that up there if it is so easily compromised.
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especially when about 75% of our trade is with the US.

Who's fault is that, are's or yours?
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By the way - stupid superficial arrogance does not win you a lot of friends

Your making plenty friends over here aren't you?
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but then again you probably do not care. For the record - for the most part - I do like the US and I do like Americans.

Yeah we seem to get that alot around here. People that like us come in here saying we are being dumbed down, our administration is fucked up, were corrupt and arrogent, stupidly religious. It's nice to know we have another friend. Did i ask you if your were french?
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Socially evolved - I guess we are - even you state that we are non-aggressive. Thank you.

You "guess" or you are? Your not sure? Non aggressive, good one.
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z0z0
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jan, 2007 07:33 pm
@z0z0,
Curmudgeon;9286 wrote:
Do you honestly believe that would happen ? If so , please tell us how .

Yes I do.

American is becoming a fascist state.
America today has more police than the Soviet Union ever had.

A government has no power over law-abiding citizens and therefore it needs to have as many become criminals as possible. Once you are a convicted criminal you can't vote. Your fingerprints are on file. The state has total control over you. For this reason America has the dumbest drug laws. For this reason - some speculate - the government itself is behind the biggest drug dealers. The government actually wants people to be arrested for drugs and get criminal records. Who do you think will get micro-chipped first?

You might say "who cares about the criminals - they get what they deserve". What happens to average Americans who through the materialistic wants based economy / culture become literal slaves to debt? What happens when it becomes a crime if you can't repay your debts?

Lastly - who do you think the FEMA concentration camps are being designed for?

You think I am out to lunch? Tell me why do people get arrested for "political protest" in the land of the free and the home of the brave?

Think about this - the people of Germany had no clue about what was happening until it was too late (1930s). The people of the Soviet Union actually put into power the people that would eventually enslave them.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jan, 2007 07:36 pm
@Curmudgeon,
Curmudgeon;9286 wrote:
"The nice thing about Canada is that it will be a bastion of freedom where smart Americans will be able to "Go off the grid" after the Fascist Powers of the US government start micro-chipping and tracking everyone after martial law is declared to fight the "enemy"."

Do you honestly believe that would happen ? If so , please tell us how .

I'm sure we havent heard the tip of the iceberg. Those Canadians have to much time on there hands.
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Brent cv
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jan, 2007 07:37 pm
@z0z0,
z0z0;9283 wrote:
What is right is one thing.
What is possible is another.

What America wants = America gets

... for a while.

The nice thing about Canada is that it will be a bastion of freedom where smart Americans will be able to "Go off the grid" after the Fascist Powers of the US government start micro-chipping and tracking everyone after martial law is declared to fight the "enemy".

I understand it must be frustrating to not have hardly any power over your own country. That starts with you and the citizens though. Stop electing people into office that get pushed around so easily Wink
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