Wouldn't Hell be the Heaven for "Wrong Do'ers"?

Why did God make cigarettes cancerous?

Why did God not give your brother a fair chance in life? It was your grandfather that screwed up.

If I was God then cerebral palsy would not exist.

My comments are not about God alone but in people's perceptions and "love" for God. I have not even stated that I believe that God exists. The closest that I came to stating that God exists is that the Universe could be defined as God but that God is not the humanistic deity that people worship. I was trying to draw light on the contradictions and the weaknesses of "God".

Why did God make cigarettes cancerous?

Why did God not give your brother a fair chance in life?

It was your grandfather that screwed up.

If I was God then cerebral palsy would not exist.

My comments are not about God alone but in people's perceptions and "love" for God. I have not even stated that I believe that God exists.

The closest that I came to stating that God exists is that the Universe could be defined as God but that God is not the humanistic deity that people worship.

I was trying to draw light on the contradictions and the weaknesses of "God"

I believe that my comments pertain more to the "belief" in the non-existent omniscient omnipotent humanistic deity that people use to create meaning in otherwise meaningless live. I don't hate "God". I am not certain that God does exist. My criticism are "if God exists then why does he **** around with us so much?"

As for "form". Do you think that there is no other life in the universe? There are billions of stars in billions of galaxies. I think that the statistical probability of life elsewhere is high and the probability of that life being in our form is low.

If God created living beings in other parts of the universe and they did not look like us then who holds the true form of "God"?

I believe that my comments pertain more to the "belief" in the non-existent omniscient omnipotent humanistic deity that people use to create meaning in otherwise meaningless live.

I don't hate "God".

I am not certain that God does exist. My criticism are "if God exists then why does he **** around with us so much?"

As for "form". Do you think that there is no other life in the universe?

There are billions of stars in billions of galaxies. I think that the statistical probability of life elsewhere is high and the probability of that life being in our form is low.

If God created living beings in other parts of the universe and they did not look like us then who holds the true form of "God"?

WTF? You really do not understand what I am saying do you?

I fully understand and accept that others have different ideas and opinions.

I am here for some intellectual stimulation. I look forward to a challenging debate where I can test my ideas. If my ideas fail in the debate then my ideas will evolve. I might even integrate your ideas into my own. That is how we grow and develop.

What I said was that I did not understand what you were trying to say because it seemed like you did not understand what I was saying. Maybe it is a grammar issue as well. While my grammar is bad - yours is a bit more difficult to understand.

Please note - I do thank you for the conversation.
I value anyone that takes time out to discuss things.

What I said was that I did not understand what you were trying to say because it seemed like you did not understand what I was saying. Maybe it is a grammar issue as well. While my grammar is bad - yours is a bit more difficult to understand.

Please note - I do thank you for the conversation.
I value anyone that takes time out to discuss things.

This concept that people will burn in hell forever doesn't quite sit right to me.

Ok so we have God and he has heaven, and everything there is nice and pretty and that is where all the good people go and that is what they would like. Keep in mind God doesn't like the Devil and the Devil doesn't like God.

Now we have the Devil and Hell and everything there isn't nice and pretty and that is where all the bad people go to die a long burning death. But here is the problem why would the Devil who doesn't like God help God in burning those people forever? It would seem to me the Devil would want the bad people to help his "army" and to get back at God.

So my thought is Hell is the place where chaos and everything goes happens. Does this make it a "bad" place, probably but I know a bunch of people who would love it there.

Anyways. There it is.

Once youve been judged negatively by God there is no more happiness. You would know how bad youve screwed up and you would never have been so sure of anything in your life becuase His judgement will be infallible and you will begin to understand. You would not have the words or the logical capacity available to formulate an argument against Him. It would not be a happy time.

How will I know that God has judge me negatively?

Sounds like your God is more of the Old Testament persuasion.
I thought that the "New God" was more of the "New Testament".

Why would you want to worship a God that you FEAR?
Sounds like an Klingon God to me.

Why would you want to worship a God that you FEAR?

There is a HUGE difference between the concepts of FEAR and RESPECT.

I did not respect my father for kicking my butt because it showed he did not know what else to do. Only a simple person resorts to violence. My father was a big disciplinarian - today it would be considered abusive. Today I no longer fear my father but I also do not really respect him either.

FEAR: Fear can be described by different terms in accordance with its relative degrees. Fear covers a number of terms - worry, anxiety, terror, fright, paranoia, horror, panic (social and personal), persecution complex and dread.

RESPECT: Respect is the esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability: I have great respect for her judgement.


One is very negative and the other is very positive. Some people do not understand the positive so they must use negative to control.

Like I said - I will never worship a deity that I have to fear. If the deity uses fear to motivate then he is not a very good deity.

There is a HUGE difference between the concepts of FEAR and RESPECT.

I did not respect my father for kicking my butt because it showed he did not know what else to do. Only a simple person resorts to violence. My father was a big disciplinarian - today it would be considered abusive. Today I no longer fear my father but I also do not really respect him either.

One is very negative and the other is very positive. Some people do not understand the positive so they must use negative to control.

Like I said - I will never worship a deity that I have to fear. If the deity uses fear to motivate then he is not a very good deity.

You show a logic error.
Just because one definition says that respect is connected to concern it does not allow you to say that they are equal and that therefore repect - fear.

Also use the full definition if you want to cite something.
Below are definitions from dictionary.com
Nothing connects respect to fear.


re?spect ?noun
1. a particular, detail, or point (usually prec. by in): to differ in some respect.
2. relation or reference: inquiries with respect to a route.
3. esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability: I have great respect for her judgment.
4. deference to a right, privilege, privileged position, or someone or something considered to have certain rights or privileges; proper acceptance or courtesy; acknowledgment: respect for a suspect's right to counsel; to show respect for the flag; respect for the elderly.
5. the condition of being esteemed or honored: to be held in respect.
6. respects, a formal expression or gesture of greeting, esteem, or friendship: Give my respects to your parents.
7. favor or partiality.
8. Archaic. a consideration.
?verb (used with object)
9. to hold in esteem or honor: I cannot respect a cheat.
10. to show regard or consideration for: to respect someone's rights.
11. to refrain from intruding upon or interfering with: to respect a person's privacy.
12. to relate or have reference to.
?Idioms
13. in respect of, in reference to; in regard to; concerning.
14. in respect that, Archaic. because of; since.
15. pay one's respects,
a. to visit in order to welcome, greet, etc.: We paid our respects to the new neighbors.
b. to express one's sympathy, esp. to survivors following a death: We paid our respects to the family.
16. with respect to, referring to; concerning: with respect to your latest request.

?Synonyms 1. regard, feature, matter. 2. regard, connection. 3. estimation, reverence, homage, honor. Respect, esteem, veneration imply recognition of personal qualities by approbation, deference, and more or less affection. Respect is commonly the result of admiration and approbation, together with deference: to feel respect for a great scholar. Esteem is deference combined with admiration and often with affection: to hold a friend in great esteem. Veneration is an almost religious attitude of deep respect, reverence, and love, such as we feel for persons or things of outstanding superiority, endeared by long association: veneration for one's grandparents, for noble traditions. 7. bias, preference. 9. revere, venerate, consider, admire. 10. heed.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, ? Random House, Inc. 2006.


American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source
re?spect (rĭ-spěkt') Pronunciation Key
tr.v. re?spect?ed, re?spect?ing, re?spects

1. To feel or show deferential regard for; esteem.
2. To avoid violation of or interference with: respect the speed limit.
3. To relate or refer to; concern.


n.

1. A feeling of appreciative, often deferential regard; esteem. See Synonyms at regard.
2. The state of being regarded with honor or esteem.
3. Willingness to show consideration or appreciation.
4. respects Polite expressions of consideration or deference: pay one's respects.
5. A particular aspect, feature, or detail: In many respects this is an important decision.

You show a logic error.
Just because one definition says that respect is connected to concern it does not allow you to say that they are equal and that therefore repect - fear.

Nice way to avoid a question. I'll ask again.
"I would assume your a law abiding citizen. Being so you would be expected to respect the laws. If you do not do you have anything to fear?"