Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history

The Orthodox church was suppressed in Russia.

Nazis who were Catholic were about as Catholic as Hitler because the Vatican was oppsed to Nazism and huge amounts of Catholics were killed by the Nazis.

Civilization would have collapsed had all slaves been freed, which would put slave and master under the slaver of some other outside power before long. That's just the way it was.

kind of like the American Economy would have collapsed had we not had slaves back then? It was wrong in America, and it's wrong in the bible.

If the New Testament contained the true word of god it would have commanded men to free their slaves so that all could live in brotherhood under god

Communism leads to atheism, not the other way around.

I whole heartedly agree, though theoritically As long as the state can absolutely control a religion, it can function alongside communism.

Surely you don't think I would say that you don't have the most basic grasp of history without knowing you might bring up Constantine and a bunch of freakin' Franks who wanted to be called the Roman Empire. They have no physical or historical connection to the Empire and it's not relevant.

The tidbit about Constantine might be relevant had I not said 'as you describe it'. And I was right. As you described it, it was pagan. They had no time to be merciless after Constantine becaust they were getting their asses kicked by barbarians. They didn't acccept Christianity until afyter this all happened (what you described in your post).

Insult you out of desperation? You gave a rambling conspiracy theory.

yeah, it's real convenient to bring it up after the facts have been brought out. This is not relavant? for someone who thrives on history and facts being right in front of you, you seem to hate it. You need to embrace the fact that you can't embrace the facts. What conspiricy, i never said they were conspireing anything, they put it right out there in front of everybody and didn't try to hide it, you excuse these people by trying to seperate them. you can try to discredit my argument all you would like, it means nothing to anyone with half a brain and can think on thier own. And you were desperate to dissprove me so you insulted me. like you are doing now.

if you read the new and old testiment you'll find the bible confirms this

Originally stated by Reagaknight
Surely you don't think I would say that you don't have the most basic grasp of history without knowing you might bring up Constantine and a bunch of freakin' Franks who wanted to be called the Roman Empire. They have no physical or historical connection to the Empire and it's not relevant.

Are you an idiot? I mean are you really that confused? Wanted to be called the roman empire? THEY WERE THE ROMAN EMPIRE!!! AS STATED, HISTORICLY BY THE ROMAN EMPIRES WRITTINGS. Every peice of literature i've found on this subject all say the same thing. Everyone else who fallows this thread can read, i hope, and can determine this on thier own. You are acussing me of dreaming consiracys while you conspire against me.

"Nazis who were Catholic were about as Catholic as Hitler because the Vatican was oppsed to Nazism and huge amounts of Catholics were killed by the Nazis."

Half of Nazi Germany was Catholic. Half was Protestant. Hitler was an atheist, or perhaps a Germanic spiritiualist. He hated Christianity, and thought a 'true' German couldn't be a Christian, because the two contradicted each other. His blood-and-soil ideology was founded on an ultra-radical interpretation of social Darwinism.

But Hitler was raised Catholic. That was what most committed Catholic Nazis were. Though 'Catholic' in name, if they truly believed in the Nazi cause, they were in conflict with Catholicism.

I think lack of a religious moral basis could be said to be the real force behind the mass murders of history, not atheism in and of itself as the cause. It was more often a political ideology that included atheism so that no religious values could conflict with it.

No, I disagree. Followers of a religion must have faith but a religion should act as an organization, it should be in agreement most aspects of the basis for religion. Otherwise it is not a religion but hundreds of thousands of different sub-religions (like the Protestant denominations, but to a greater extent). That is almost never what religion is intended to be. Its followers should be in agreement or there is no one religion.

i personaly don't think christs intentions were to shove his beliefs down everyones throut(however you spell it). It is a free will bases, there are too many versions and exerpts of the bible to fallow it blindly, in that fashion you are praising the bible and not god. In my opinion an orginization focuses on numbers and loses sight on the base belief. As such it turns into a political contest of who is right and who is wrong, wich inebidibly leads to conflict of interest wich leads to war and death. Again just my opinion, not saying you are wrong for what you believe.