Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history

You assume I look at it all wrapped up in one package, in which case it would have been a grammatical error. However, I'm talking about the specific area of getting people to join the Crusades vs. the reasons they were started, so it isn't.

Communism murdered hundreds of millions of totally innocent people. Lord, how I loathe Marxism. :headbang:

Look at feudal Japan, a bunch of Buddhists slaughtering each other...

There was no cause to create an empire.

hmmmmm, The roman empire wasn't an empire? The same Roman empire that created the Roman Catholic religion? Hmmmmmmmm? The same Roman empire that is famous for taking over countries and persicuting them if they didn't live how they said they should? Wasn't it the Roman empire that tried Jesus Christ and then crucified him to later use his beliefs to control his followers? And yes i realize that the Jews actually voted for him to be killed. Based on the laws of the Romans who were occupying thier country.Just one mans outlook tho. In my opinion The Roman catholics were brutal and created the crudades to keep controll of isreal!

You seem to not have even the most basic knowledge of history. The Roman Empire and the R.C. Church are not connected (in that way, anyway). For whatever reason, you seem to think the Church is a continuation of the Roman Empire. This is completely false. The Roman empire as you describe it was pagan. The Church was not even known as Roman Catholic until the great schism, it is the universal Church, not a product of Rome. The popes are not heirs of Ceasar, butr of Peter.

Your opinion counts for nothing in history. I could be of the opinion that Hitler was the Easter bunny and was simply trying to prevent Jews from stealing his eggs. Doesn't make it true.

However, when atheism has had a chance to prove itself in the same way, it came out a whole lot worse.

You seem to not have even the most basic knowledge of history. The Roman Empire and the R.C. Church are not connected (in that way, anyway). For whatever reason, you seem to think the Church is a continuation of the Roman Empire. This is completely false. The Roman empire as you describe it was pagan. The Church was not even known as Roman Catholic until the great schism, it is the universal Church, not a product of Rome. The popes are not heirs of Ceasar, butr of Peter.

Can you tell me more about this? I didn't know of any buddhist incited violence.

sucks to be you reagannutt!!!:FU1:

Thanks, curious how it is very easy to stand up for our beliefs as individuals, but is a society we go deranged.

What does this have to do with anything?

Religion was a primary reason, I never said it wasn't, but this is because it was a good way to controll people. The Byzantine Empire had to be preserved from the European standpoint because it was the only thing standing between them and another front from which Muslims would try to conquer them.

The reasons for the later Crusades were to preserve the Christian establishments from the earlier ones (controll.)

the Holy Roman Empire

Introduction
The Holy Roman Empire (official name: sacrum romanum imperium, 1254; more details below) designates a political entity that covered a large portion of Europe, centered on Germany, from 962 to 1806.

Origin and Evolution
The Holy Roman Empire originates in the eastern half of Charlemagne's empire, divided after his death. In 800, Charlemagne had received from the pope the title of Emperor (Imperator Augustus), reminiscent of the title held by Roman emperors, both in the Rome of old and in the Byzantium of the time. By 911 eastern and western Franconia, as the area was known, had completely separated, the latter continuing as the kingdom of the Franks, or France; the former continuing as the kingdom of Germany. In 962 Otto I the Great reclaimed the imperial dignity which had lost all prestige and was conferred by popes on bit players in Italian politics. This is usually taken to be the founding date of the Holy Roman Empire.
The Holy Roman Empire (HRE) never achieved the political unification that France did; a prolonged attempt at centralizing authority starting with Maximilian I (1493-1519) was wrecked by the Reformation and the ensuing wars, culminating with the Thirty Years War (1618-48) and the Treaty of Westphalia (1648). The latter formalized the relationship between the Emperor and his vassals, who thereby achieved all but complete sovereignty. As a result, the HRE was still composed at the end of the 18th century of around 360 distinct entities, differing widely in size, rank and power. Some were kings and princes, other were counts; some were clerics, other were secular rulers.

what you fail to realize, is that the roman empire WAS pegan. That changed when one of the leaders of one of the seperated parts saw a sign in the clouds after being talked to by some christian figures who told him God would talk to him in this battle and that he would win. Then after that insatnce he changed his religious views and ulimately became the overall ruler of the roman empire. He changed his battle flag from the pegan sign to the christian sign at the time. I can't find anyhting on the subject at the time but if you would like i will be more than happy to continue searching for it. I learned of this about 6 or 7 months ago. The facts are there, you just refuse to accept them, and don't insult me out of desperation.

rivised version!