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Pentagon revises document listing homosexuality as a 'mental disorder'

 
 
ndjs
 
Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 09:48 pm
FOXNews.com - Pentagon Revises Document Listing Homosexuality as Mental Disorder - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

The Pentagon is revising this document that says being gay is a mental disorder. Homosexuality is not a mental disorder according to the DSM IV, the most recent publication from the American Psychiatric Association, so IMO it is not a mental disorder. At least it can't be to the Pentagon and not to the rest of the world.

The DADT (don't ask, don't tell) policy is still in effect in the military, and openly gay soldiers are discharged. So if this policy is revised to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder as far as the Pentagon is concerned, will they still discharge openly gay people?
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 09:44 pm
@ndjs,
I would say yes. Nobody wants a fairy standing backup.
STEVE cv
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2006 03:23 pm
@ndjs,
It is not a mental disorder.
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STEVE cv
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2006 03:24 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;4159 wrote:
I would say yes. Nobody wants a fairy standing backup.


Just because a man likes the members of the same sex, does not make him any less suitable to serve in the armed forces efficiently.
jatuab
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2006 08:43 pm
@STEVE cv,
STEVE;4181 wrote:
Just because a man likes the members of the same sex, does not make him any less suitable to serve in the armed forces efficiently.

seconded
ndjs
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 12:29 am
@ndjs,
I don't think it's so much of an ability thing.

It's a trust issue, and if a soldier can't trust his fellow soldiers, then the easiest thing to do is remove the problem. Especially when in the past, gays were really the odd ones, not someone who couldn't deal with gays.

Now, it may just be one individual who can't deal with a gay soldier. Then he's the problem remove him. But if there are a lot of people who don't trust a soldier to do his job, gay or not, then something needs to be done about that soldier.
STEVE cv
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 12:35 am
@ndjs,
ndjs;4187 wrote:
I don't think it's so much of an ability thing.

It's a trust issue, and if a soldier can't trust his fellow soldiers, then the easiest thing to do is remove the problem. Especially when in the past, gays were really the odd ones, not someone who couldn't deal with gays.

Now, it may just be one individual who can't deal with a gay soldier. Then he's the problem remove him. But if there are a lot of people who don't trust a soldier to do his job, gay or not, then something needs to be done about that soldier.


But why not trust someone based soley on their sexual orientation?
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ndjs
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 12:36 am
@ndjs,
I don't think that's the issue.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 06:01 am
@STEVE cv,
STEVE;4181 wrote:
Just because a man likes the members of the same sex, does not make him any less suitable to serve in the armed forces efficiently.
In the normal world it does matter. That is why they do not allow women in frontline combat. When one is a sex or love partner they have a natural tendency to protect that partnership, which would get a lot of male soldiers killed trying to protect the female ones. I think you can call it chivalry.
As far as i'm concerned they can serve, just not in the front line.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 06:07 am
@jatuab,
jatuab;4185 wrote:
seconded

It's not because the guy just likes males, he wants to have sexual relations with them. That will have a definite say in his job performance. On and off the field.
jatuab
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 03:56 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;4191 wrote:
It's not because the guy just likes males, he wants to have sexual relations with them. That will have a definite say in his job performance. On and off the field.

I've worked with gay people of all different backgrounds and histories, and I've never had one try to hit on me or be totally enthralled with me, because they usually knew that I was straight. What's the difference in having men and women together and having homosexuals and straight people together? I'm sure that more acts of adultery have happened due to intermingled sexes in the armed forces when compared to homosexual advances in the workplace.
STEVE cv
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 04:45 pm
@jatuab,
jatuab;4192 wrote:
I've worked with gay people of all different backgrounds and histories, and I've never had one try to hit on me or be totally enthralled with me, because they usually knew that I was straight. What's the difference in having men and women together and having homosexuals and straight people together? I'm sure that more acts of adultery have happened due to intermingled sexes in the armed forces when compared to homosexual advances in the workplace.

:yup:
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ndjs
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 05:46 pm
@ndjs,
none of that really has anything to do with the topic.
jatuab
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 06:20 pm
@ndjs,
I apparently missed a few posts. Homosexuality is no more of a mental disorder than heterosexuality is. I believe that it's a misdirected interest and not what God intended for us, but I've not heard any scientific evidence that there's anything physical to it. Just because sociological factors have changed the sexual orientation of some people doesn't mean they're handicapped in any way.

Now when it comes to the military, I could see how most of the military individuals I know would be uncomfortable having a homosexual standing next to them. That seems to me like more education about those matters should be given to soldiers. Any sexual interactions between servicepersons should result in separation or dismissal, regardless of the sexual orientations involved. That's what should be done about DADT.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 06:53 pm
@jatuab,
jatuab;4192 wrote:
I've worked with gay people of all different backgrounds and histories, and I've never had one try to hit on me or be totally enthralled with me, because they usually knew that I was straight. What's the difference in having men and women together and having homosexuals and straight people together? I'm sure that more acts of adultery have happened due to intermingled sexes in the armed forces when compared to homosexual advances in the workplace.
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I've worked with gay people of all different backgrounds and histories, and I've never had one try to hit on me or be totally enthralled with me, because they usually knew that I was straight.

I have had both sex's hit on me as you say. I've coached a prodominantly Lesbian softball team that my wife plays on(no she is not bi ) for at least seven years. I know quite a few gay males as well for various reasons. In specific situations the oppotunity always arrive's. In my experience.

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What's the difference in having men and women together and having homosexuals and straight people together?

The difference is the emotion that always gets attached when there is a sexual interest. You want not much emotion attached to the person you expect to cover your back. The natural order tells you to watch your own back when you are not sure of the one behind you. IMO In the military you need to expect your fellow soldier will be that and not the other. My example for simplicity would be this.
Your in a bar with the buds. You have a gentile friend and amachismo friend with you. Given similar stature who would you want to back you up in a fight for your life? I'll answer this easy. The guy that gots nutts, not the one that wants nuts, behind me.
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I'm sure that more acts of adultery have happened due to intermingled sexes in the armed forces when compared to homosexual advances in the workplace.

Of course there would be more adultery among hetero's, we comprise close to ninety percent of any thing you could call a real relationship. Gays on the other hand have a statistic that i don't know if it still holds true, but the average i remember was over one hundred partners per years for sexually active adults. I believe that the percentage of hetero to gays was like 95/5 and i don't remember if that was nationwide of world? Have no clue on the military side but i'm sure it even lower? So unless gays only hook up in bars then they might squick through, i know plenty of guys that only score in the work play as well.
jatuab
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 10:05 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;4198 wrote:
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I have had both sex's hit on me as you say. I've coached a prodominantly Lesbian softball team that my wife plays on(no she is not bi ) for at least seven years. I know quite a few gay males as well for various reasons. In specific situations the oppotunity always arrive's. In my experience.


The difference is the emotion that always gets attached when there is a sexual interest. You want not much emotion attached to the person you expect to cover your back. The natural order tells you to watch your own back when you are not sure of the one behind you. IMO In the military you need to expect your fellow soldier will be that and not the other. My example for simplicity would be this.
Your in a bar with the buds. You have a gentile friend and amachismo friend with you. Given similar stature who would you want to back you up in a fight for your life? I'll answer this easy. The guy that gots nutts, not the one that wants nuts, behind me.

Of course there would be more adultery among hetero's, we comprise close to ninety percent of any thing you could call a real relationship. Gays on the other hand have a statistic that i don't know if it still holds true, but the average i remember was over one hundred partners per years for sexually active adults. I believe that the percentage of hetero to gays was like 95/5 and i don't remember if that was nationwide of world? Have no clue on the military side but i'm sure it even lower? So unless gays only hook up in bars then they might squick through, i know plenty of guys that only score in the work play as well.

With the military reference that you quoted in the second quote, I was comparing the lives of our Navy servicepersons. I remember hearing talks about pregnancies on ships due to male/female cohabitation, and there would clearly be less sexual encounters between homosexuals than there would between men and women, due to population size as you mentioned.

In the last quote, I was comparing heterosexual encounters in the armed forces to homosexual encounters in the entire workplace history.

When you take into account the femininity of homosexual guys, the ones who wouldn't be able to cut it in a battle would also probably not make it into battle in the first place. When it comes to the Marines, I know that no guy who is unworthy of battle makes it through basic training, regardless of his sexuality. If a guy who likes other guys can tough it out through the Crucible, let him serve before you let a straight, 150 lb mechanic serve.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jul, 2006 08:50 am
@jatuab,
jatuab;4199 wrote:
With the military reference that you quoted in the second quote, I was comparing the lives of our Navy servicepersons. I remember hearing talks about pregnancies on ships due to male/female cohabitation, and there would clearly be less sexual encounters between homosexuals than there would between men and women, due to population size as you mentioned.

In the last quote, I was comparing heterosexual encounters in the armed forces to homosexual encounters in the entire workplace history.

When you take into account the femininity of homosexual guys, the ones who wouldn't be able to cut it in a battle would also probably not make it into battle in the first place. When it comes to the Marines, I know that no guy who is unworthy of battle makes it through basic training, regardless of his sexuality. If a guy who likes other guys can tough it out through the Crucible, let him serve before you let a straight, 150 lb mechanic serve.
Agreed, if they can hack i have to problem. Because that means none of the others even know of his preference. I'm not to sure if "comparing heterosexual encounters in the armed forces to homosexual encounters in the entire workplace history" is comparable? But i'd be curious about the info in any case?
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