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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2010 11:23 am

Next Monday, June 28, 2010 will be forthcoming the USSC decision
in McDONALD and NRA v. CHICAGO, the case to apply
the 2nd Amendment to curtail the power of the States
and thereby to defend the personal freedom of each citizen
to keep and bear arms.

I am very pleased that according to SCOTUSBLOG, Justice Sam Alito
will almost certainly write that opinion.

Justice Sam Alito is known as the pro-machinegun Justice.
He is a freedom loving guy.
http://articles.sfgate.com/2005-11-02/news/17398171_1_judge-alito-gun-control-machine-gun

However, note that the case has been drawn n crafted
as a mirror image reflection of HELLER 554 US 290; 128 S.Ct. 2783 (2008); therefore,
its pleadings have been limited to keeping guns within the home.

This is in accordance with the pro-freedom lobby 's decision
to proceed on an incremental basis, little by little.



David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2010 11:35 am

" In a lone dissenting opinion as a federal appeals court judge in 1996,
Alito argued that the federal ban on possessing machine guns was unconstitutional
-- a stand described by both admirers and detractors Tuesday
as one of the most revealing cases in the lengthy judicial record
of President Bush's nominee to the U.S. Supreme Court. " SFGate.com

[All emphasis has been added by David.]
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panzade
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2010 11:42 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Justice Sam Alito is known as the pro-machinegun Justice.
He is a freedom loving guy.


I'm puzzled.
Is he a freedom loving guy because he's pro-machine gun?
Or is he pro machine gun because he's a feedom loving guy?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2010 11:52 am
@panzade,
Quote:
Justice Sam Alito is known as the pro-machinegun Justice.
He is a freedom loving guy.
panzade wrote:

I'm puzzled.
Is he a freedom loving guy because he's pro-machine gun?
Or is he pro machine gun because he's a feedom loving guy?
BOTH! Concurrenly, harmoniously and simultaneously.

Thay r all so lovable that no wholesome American can keep his hands off of them, from the first Gatling Gun in 1862,
to the newest upgrade of the M134 Minigun!





David
Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2010 12:34 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
So, what's your gut feeling on how the Court will decide?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2010 01:40 pm
@Irishk,
Irishk wrote:
So, what's your gut feeling on how the Court will decide?
It will apply the 2nd Amendment to curtail the power of the States.
In HELLER, the court as much as told us that.
It said that it is a right of "all Americans".

In HELLER, the court upheld its finding in 1990 in VERDUGO :

"that ‘the people’ protected by the Fourth Amendment,
and by the First and Second Amendments, and to whom rights
and powers are reserved
in the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, refers to
a class of persons who are part of a national community
or who have otherwise developed sufficient connection
with this country to be considered part of that community.”

HELLER:
" * * * We start therefore with a strong presumption
that the Second Amendment right is exercised individually
and belongs to all Americans.
* * * Putting all of these textual elements together,
we find that they guarantee the individual right
to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation"
.
[All emphasis has been added by David.]

The Court knows that there r over 300,000,000 Americans
and that thay do not all live in Washington D.C.

I think that pretty much tells us what the Court will say on Monday.

The case at bar was crafted to be a mirror image reflection
of HELLER, so that in effect, the only question presented
to the Court is whether the 2nd Amendment applies to the States.

The history that it DOES, is very clear
from the spoken words, on the record, in each House of Congress
when the 14th Amendment was enacted by the authors
of the 14th Amendment in each house, who explicitly said so
and said that the purpose of the 14th Amendment
was to apply the Bill of Rights to the States, after the Civil War.

The pleadings b4 the Court are limited to possessing guns at home,
but if the USSC applies the 2nd Amendment against State Government power,
then its own terms that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
will be directly considered in all future gun litigation in all courts.

In HELLER, the USSC cited with approval

In Nunn v. State, 1 Ga. 243, 251 (1846), the Georgia Supreme Court
construed the Second Amendment as
protecting the “natural right of self-defence” and therefore
struck down a ban on carrying pistols openly.

Its opinion perfectly captured the way in which the operative clause
[i.e.: "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"]
of the Second Amendment furthers the purpose announced in
the prefatory clause, [i.e., the militia clause]
in continuity with the English right:

The right of the whole people,
old and young, men, women and boys
, and not militia only,
to keep and bear arms of every description,
and not such merely as are used by the militia,
shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon,
in the smallest degree
;
and all this for the important end to be attained:
the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia,
so vitally necessary to the security of a free State.

Our opinion is, that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant
to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right
,
originally belonging to our forefathers,
trampled under foot by Charles I. and his two wicked
sons and successors, re-established by the revolution
of 1688, conveyed to this land of liberty by the colonists,
and finally incorporated conspicuously in our own Magna Charta!”
[all emphasis lovingly added by David]






David
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 06:06 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
This is in accordance with the pro-freedom lobby 's decision to proceed on an incremental basis, little by little.


Next step should be Hawaii's assault weapons ban.

Easy to argue that there is no compelling reason to ban a pistol grip, and last I knew Hawaii had the most draconian assault weapons ban.

(Plus the beaches are nice -- no idea if the case will be heard in the winter, but....)
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 09:21 pm
@oralloy,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
This is in accordance with the pro-freedom lobby 's decision to proceed on an incremental basis, little by little.
oralloy wrote:
Next step should be Hawaii's assault weapons ban.

Easy to argue that there is no compelling reason to ban a pistol grip,
and last I knew Hawaii had the most draconian assault weapons ban.

(Plus the beaches are nice -- no idea if the case will be heard in the winter, but....)
I 'm not sure about the status. Hawaii is in the 9th Circuit,
a 3 judge panel of which incorporated the 2A in NORDYKE.

The 9th CCA en banc suspended that ruling of incorporation, pending the USSC's decision qua incorporating 2A.
Presumably, NORDYKE is re-instated, or will be momentarily, including Hawaii.
How that will affect possession of semi-automatic shoulder weapons remains to be seen.





David
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 11:53 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
oralloy wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
This is in accordance with the pro-freedom lobby 's decision to proceed on an incremental basis, little by little.


Next step should be Hawaii's assault weapons ban.

Easy to argue that there is no compelling reason to ban a pistol grip, and last I knew Hawaii had the most draconian assault weapons ban.

(Plus the beaches are nice -- no idea if the case will be heard in the winter, but....)


I 'm not sure about the status. Hawaii is in the 9th Circuit,
a 3 judge panel of which incorporated the 2A in NORDYKE.

The 9th CCA en banc suspended that ruling of incorporation, pending the USSC's decision qua incorporating 2A.
Presumably, NORDYKE is re-instated, or will be momentarily, including Hawaii.
How that will affect possession of semi-automatic shoulder weapons remains to be seen.





David


Nordyke had to do with whether or not the county could ban guns on county property (they were using such a ban to drive a popular annual gun show on the county fairgrounds out of business or something like that). It won't have anything to do with the assault weapons question.

The lawsuit (whether it is against Hawaii or against somewhere else) will be filed by Gura and the groups backing him, in the name of some local who is an upstanding citizen (much like they did with the lawsuits against D.C. and Chicago).
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jun, 2010 12:02 am
@oralloy,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
oralloy wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
This is in accordance with the pro-freedom lobby 's decision
to proceed on an incremental basis, little by little.


Next step should be Hawaii's assault weapons ban.

Easy to argue that there is no compelling reason to ban a pistol grip,
and last I knew Hawaii had the most draconian assault weapons ban.

(Plus the beaches are nice -- no idea if the case will be heard in the winter, but....)


I 'm not sure about the status. Hawaii is in the 9th Circuit,
a 3 judge panel of which incorporated the 2A in NORDYKE.

The 9th CCA en banc suspended that ruling of incorporation, pending the USSC's decision qua incorporating 2A.
Presumably, NORDYKE is re-instated, or will be momentarily, including Hawaii.
How that will affect possession of semi-automatic shoulder weapons remains to be seen.





David
oralloy wrote:
Nordyke had to do with whether or not the county could ban guns on county property (they were using such a ban to drive a popular annual gun show on the county fairgrounds out of business or something like that). It won't have anything to do with the assault weapons question.

The lawsuit (whether it is against Hawaii or against somewhere else) will be filed by Gura and the groups backing him,
in the name of some local who is an upstanding citizen (much like they did with the lawsuits against D.C. and Chicago).
NORDYKE has 2 causes of action, if I rememer accurately,
one of which the good guys won (and incorporated 2A)
and the other of which the good guys lost.
In fairness, the 2A does not require a county to rent its realty; (tho I 'd have held differently, if I 'd been the judge).





David
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jun, 2010 12:11 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
NORDYKE has 2 causes of action, if I rememer accurately,
one of which the good guys won (and incorporated 2A)
and the other of which the good guys lost.
In fairness, the 2A does not require a county to rent its realty; (tho I 'd have held differently, if I 'd been the judge).





David


As I recall, Gura filed the lawsuit against Chicago the same day that the Supreme Court ruled on Heller.

For all I know he may well have filed the next lawsuit today (I guess at this hour I should say yesterday -- I need to get to bed).

I'll see if I can find any mention of a new lawsuit being filed.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jun, 2010 12:19 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
NORDYKE has 2 causes of action, if I rememer accurately,
one of which the good guys won (and incorporated 2A)
and the other of which the good guys lost.
In fairness, the 2A does not require a county to rent its realty; (tho I 'd have held differently, if I 'd been the judge).





David


As I recall, Gura filed the lawsuit against Chicago the same day that the Supreme Court ruled on Heller.

For all I know he may well have filed the next lawsuit today (I guess at this hour I should say yesterday -- I need to get to bed).

I'll see if I can find any mention of a new lawsuit being filed.


Found this:

Alan Gura, lead attorney for the plaintiffs, promised, “There will be future cases, I will be bringing cases in the days and weeks to come.”

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/06/28/mcdonald-v-chicago-an-exclusive-interview
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jun, 2010 01:41 am
@oralloy,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
NORDYKE has 2 causes of action, if I rememer accurately,
one of which the good guys won (and incorporated 2A)
and the other of which the good guys lost.
In fairness, the 2A does not require a county to rent its realty; (tho I 'd have held differently, if I 'd been the judge).





David
oralloy wrote:
As I recall, Gura filed the lawsuit against Chicago the same day that the Supreme Court ruled on Heller.
15 minutes did not go by before he had someone begin McDonald v. Chicago, when HELLER came out.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jun, 2010 01:47 am

There is a federal case in California called
SYKES and 2nd AMENDMENT FOUNDATION v. SACRAMENTO,
suing for the right to carry guns in the streets,
whose judge has allegedly announced that
when the 2A is incorporated against the State governments,
he will grant summary judgment.





David
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jun, 2010 02:47 am
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Daley-Vows-New-Gun-Ordinances-97328384.html

Too stupid to learn....
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jun, 2010 06:52 am
@gungasnake,
UNITED STATES CODE TITLE 18

CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE


PART I
CRIMES CHAPTER 13 - CIVIL RIGHTS

§§ 241. Conspiracy against rights
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten,
or intimidate any inhabitant of any State, . . .
in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right
or privilege secured to him by
the Constitution or laws of the United States,
. . .
They shall be fined not more than $10,000
or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both;
and if death results, they shall be subject to imprisonment
for any term of years or for life.

§§ 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law
Whoever, under color of any law, statute,
ordinance, regulation, or custom,
willfully subjects any inhabitant of any State,
Territory, or District to the deprivation of any rights,
privileges, or immunities secured or protected
by the Constitution or laws of the United States, . . .
shall be fined not more than $1,000
or imprisoned not more than one year, or both;
and if bodily injury results shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both;
and if death results shall be subject to imprisonment for any term of years or for life.
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