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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 31 Aug, 2011 11:17 pm
@msolga,
Speaking of depressing .....
<sigh>
Graham Richardson's comments, of earlier today, seem to have become the news story of the day. On just about every Oz media outlet I've checked.

'She's finished':
http://www.abc.net.au/news/
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 05:13 pm
Luckily for me, I'll be out for most of today.
The events of yesterday & the media coverage was an extremely depressing experience.
Some detachment from it all today might be a very good thing indeed! Neutral
But anyway ....

I would just like to say that Abbott's crowing about a return to the "Pacific Solution" might not quite be the clever solution he imagines.
There is every chance that it would be challenged in the high court, too, possibly with the same outcome as that which the "Malaysia solution" received. Or perhaps the Libs would change Australian laws to accommodate a return to the past? (remember Ruddock?)

Quote:
Last night, the UNHCR's regional representative, Richard Towle, told Lateline (see video in link below) that his organisation will not be involved in reopening the detention centres in Nauru or Papua New Guinea.

"We are not inclined to be involved in any arrangements in Nauru and Papua New Guinea," he said.

"We see these as principally Australian initiatives to manage people in an extra-territorial way.

"These are not the kinds of things that fit with what we believe to be the set of activities for strengthening regional cooperation in south-east Asia."


But, looking on the positive side (ha!) .....
Perhaps both major Australian political parties will discover that they need to seriously re-think their policies on asylum seekers & "border protection".
I have a hunch that they might have to.

Now wouldn't that be an amazing & enlightened thing?: if they sat down together and worked out a policy that actually works & addresses the real issues in a sane & rational way?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-02/mcclelland-supports-high-court-over-asylum-decision/2867622
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2011 03:20 am
Hi Olgs

I posted this in US politics, but I thought it had scary foreshadowing for Oz
http://able2know.org/topic/177098-1
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2011 10:29 am
@hingehead,
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...but I thought it had scary foreshadowing for Oz

I think it has & the process has already begun here. I think the "truck convoy" folk, who couldn't actually articulate their concerns, are a perfect example of such cynical manipulation & exploitation.

All I can say is thank heavens that (compared to the US) we don't have to contend with the complicating factor of organised religious fundamentalism on the conservative side of politics.

I think in future I won't refer to Abbott & co as "conservatives", but as the destructive "far right", which is what they really are. (though I believe Abbott himself is motivated by his conservative religious beliefs ... though he appears to be keeping them in check at this point in time, unlike in the past.)
I needed that reminder .... there have been perfectly honorable, constructive politicians on the Liberal side of politics.
Dick Hamer, a former premier of Victoria, immediately came to mind.
And quite a number of the "wets" at federal level, who were purged from the party by Howard & his cronies.

That article was an excellent, insightful read.
Though incredibly scary, coming us it does from a Republican insider.
Good on him to enlightening & warning us all!
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2011 03:57 pm
@msolga,
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I think in future I won't refer to Abbott & co as "conservatives", but as the destructive "far right", which is what they really are. (though I believe Abbott himself is motivated by his conservative religious beliefs ... though he appears to be keeping them in check at this point in time, unlike in the past.)


Isn't that strange, I thought Abbott's religious beliefs coloured his judgement and approach but I felt what motivated him was power, to win, to be number one.

You are right calling them conservative is the wrong term, they're not out to conserve anything much. Retrogressives?
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 7 Sep, 2011 09:45 pm
@hingehead,
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You are right calling them conservative is the wrong term, they're not out to conserve anything much. Retrogressives?

Maybe, maybe ....
I'm working on the most appropriate title to call them, hinge. Wink

But certainly Abbott & co are more than willing to be as dishonest & as destructive as it takes (with the full support of the Murdoch media), to achieve their ends, no matter what the consequences for the integrity of parliament ..... say nothing of the real consequences for the poor sods who actually believe that the "no new tax" mantra is actually out of concern for their welfare and not to protect the interests of the wealthiest in the country.

I never thought I'd be nostalgic for the conservatives of the past.
At least they cared about much more than power at any cost.
At least the best of them had a conscience, integrity .....
At least they didn't undermine the integrity of parliament to achieve their ends.
This is a whole new, extremely cynical ballgame.

I so wish we had a 2011 equivalent of the good ol Nation Review, to buoy our spirits & to present a far more critical response to the onslaught .
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 8 Sep, 2011 01:57 am
I'm putting this here because surely even a murdoch rag won't leave it up for long. I can only concur with Malcolm Farr and Greg Jericho. WTF doesn't do it justice.


Made to sleep nude in a bathtub
Mark Bode | 8th September 2011
Source: http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/story/2011/09/08/and-if-you-were-made-to-sleep-nude-in-a-bathtub/

IN A world where people compete against the vociferousness of our creations and now don't so much speak but screech, and a splash of colour is rarely enough, Stephen Francis Smith is a welcome enigma.

The Defence Minister and touted candidate for Julia Gillard's job has used his genial nature to become a political force.

He's refreshingly non-intrusive, politically adept, articulate, intelligent and likeable.

In another life, the Roman Catholic could have been a skilled police negotiator, or the straightest of priests.

There's another word that has been used to describe him - expressionless.

I think I know why he shows such little emotion. For a long time I was the same, and the source of my vapidness could be the source of his.

I met Rachel, Italian, dark and moody, in a Perth nightclub, pulled helplessly to her from across the room.

She was a willowy, natural beauty who enjoyed her power over men.

In the beginning, our relationship was the envy of dull eyes. I adored her but should have trusted my instincts. The subtle warnings from her family and friends, and the occasional unprovoked verbal attack, were an introduction to a tortuous affair.

By the time I realised the true nature of what had latched on to me, it was too late.

The most degrading aspect of the relationship occurred when I was ordered to sleep in the bathtub.

Even in winter she forbade me from wearing clothes and refused, with equal foulness, my repeated requests for a pillow and a blanket. The first time it happened I awoke to find her crouched naked over me like an emaciated sumo wrestler.

The experience taught me to keep my eyes and mouth shut. I would lie motionless in the tub like a roach until the danger had passed.

"Faggot!" "Loser!" "Clown!"

Friends would regularly excuse themselves and not return after witnessing a dismantling, my retorts to her abuse as weak as my existence when with her.

I spent more than three years captive. The last time I saw her I was on my knees outside her apartment, begging to be taken back.

She was standing in the bedroom window on the second floor. There was a final look of contempt then she was gone.

In the living room window looking out at me was my replacement, Stephen Francis Smith, the desperate look of the trapped already evident.


msolga
 
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Reply Thu 8 Sep, 2011 09:11 am
@hingehead,
I'm a little confused about Rachel ...

But then, it's late, my concentration's not the best at this hour & I'm heading off to bed in 5 minutes.

I will read this again tomorrow. Smile
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2011 01:01 am
http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/GetAPair.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2011 02:08 am
@hingehead,
Just what we needed, hinge.
A post about the Mad Monk's testicles!

Hang on, no it isn't .....
Oh thank goodness! Phew!
I'd really rather not think about them, thanks. Razz


Very funny, First Dog!

But honestly, what a mongrel act if Craig Thompson is forced to miss the birth of his child because the event is not considered "extraordinary" enough, for Abbott.
Good ol Mr Family Values, hey? Rolling Eyes


(I'm feeling very sorry for Mrs Thompson.
This adds another reason to.)

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Labor MP Craig Thomson cannot be guaranteed a parliamentary "pair" to attend the birth of his child if it occurs during the period of the carbon tax debate.

"We have made it crystal clear that only in the most extraordinary circumstances will pairs be offered for the carbon tax vote," Mr Abbott told reporters during a visit to Tumbi Umbi in Mr Thomson's NSW central coast electorate of Dobell.

"This is by far the most important vote that the Australian Parliament will take in the current term of Parliament and the first duty of members of Parliament is to be in the Parliament when critical votes are taken." ....


http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbott-wont-guarantee-pair--for-thomson-if-wife-gives-birth-20110908-1jz5l.html
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2011 10:30 pm
How did I miss this one back in June?

http://www.kudelka.com.au/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/ST110605.jpg
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 17 Sep, 2011 07:07 pm
http://www.kudelka.com.au/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/OZED110913.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 17 Sep, 2011 11:53 pm
@hingehead,
All these cartoons involving boats & the ocean, hinge!
Of course it's because we're girt by sea! Smile
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hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2011 06:38 am
Finance Minister of the year 2011: Swan confounds his domestic sceptics
Source: http://www.euromoney.com/Article/2897778/Category/1/ChannelPage/0/Finance-minister-of-the-year-2011-Swan-confounds-his-domestic-sceptics.html?single=true

A long but quite often interesting article. Of particular note is the fact that Australians are complete whingers.
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2011 09:41 pm
Source: http://www.thepowerindex.com.au/and-the-winner-is/leightons-wal-king-stands-out-amongst-the-high-earners/20110905366

Leighton’s Wal King stands out amongst the high-earners

Paul BarryMonday, 05 September 2011

Gee it's a hard life running a Top 100 company in Australia, especially with the GFC, the two-speed economy, falling share markets and all those ungrateful investors on your back. But at least you can make a quid.

According to the Australian Council of Superannuation investors (ACSI), Top 100 CEO pay has more than doubled in the last ten years, with the average pay packet rising from a paltry $2.45 million in 2001 to $4.98 million in 2010, and the median rocketing by 138% to $4.39 million.

That's more than four times the increase in the share prices of those Top 100 companies, three-and-a-half times the rate of inflation, and two-and-a half times the rise in wage levels.

Driving the biggest money trucks home last year were Commonwealth Bank boss Ralph Norris (with $16.1 million), Westfield's Frank Lowy ($15.96 million), and Leighton's Wal King ($14.7 million).

And amazingly enough, most of these top CEOs are now earning more than they were before the GFC hit.

Take Ralph Norris for starters. Between 2007 and 2010, according to ACSI, Norris's pay rose 146%, yet shareholders in CBA received a total return of only 1.8% (including dividends), while the share price fell. The bank's return on equity and return on assets also fell during the period.

Frank Lowy didn't get a pay increase between 2007 and 2010, but he could well have taken a cut. Return on assets and equity at Westfield fell during the period, and shareholders had a negative return of 20.7% (even after dividends). Needless to say, the share price also fell.

But the standout winner in the overpaid stakes is Leighton's recently-departed executive chairman, Wal King, who carved out a 7.8% increase in pay between 2007 and 2010, despite the group's return on assets and return on equity falling by roughly a third, and despite shareholders waving goodbye to around one fifth of their investment.

And that was before April 2011's disastrous $907 million write-offs, cancellation of the final dividend, and announcement of a huge capital raising, which have driven Leighton's share price down to $19 (less than a third of its 2007 peak).

As ACSI tartly observes in its report, the now-departed King has collected his loot and cannot be asked to repay any of the $41 million he has received in bonuses since 2007.

"A feature of King's pay during his tenure at Leighton was its insulation from ongoing risks despite the nature of Leighton's business as a contractor," ACSI writes. "Almost all of his incentive pay was delivered as cash bonuses based on achievement of profit targets with no capacity for these bonuses to be reduced should performance deteriorate – even shortly after they were paid."

So what does ACSI chief executive Ann Byrne think of this and their other findings? Not much, it appears. "Companies did do something during the GFC about tying CEO pay to shareholder value but it seems memories are short. We think they need to maintain their mettle."

ACSI's survey also shows that 90% of the Top 100's CEOs received a bonus last year, averaging nearly $1.6 million.

"Isn't that extraordinary?" The Power Index ventured.

"Well, Yes," was Byrne's blunt reply.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 23 Sep, 2011 02:48 am
Quote:
VIDEO:Clarke and Dawe On Immigration

Posted September 22, 2011 22:47:00

Clarke and Dawe discuss solutions to the immigration quagmire.
John Clarke and Bryan Dawe

Source: 7.30 | Duration: 2min 19sec

Topics: refugees, federal-government, Australia


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-22/clarke-and-dawe-on-immigration/2912282
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 26 Sep, 2011 08:29 pm
Good Q and A last night - although Janet Albrechtsen makes my skin crawl.

Both Oakeshott and Butler came across as open and honest MPs - I'd never even heard of Mark Butler before but he handled himself really well - took on a question about a mental health program that had been cut by labor and had all the data on why the decision was made to cut it, unintentionally ended up making the psych professional that asked the question look self-serving.

McInnes looked a little embarassed to be their but I thought the tweet stream was harsh on him - he was happy to give his opinion but was loathe for anyone to think that he thought anyone else should have his opinion (I suspect the Carbon Kate crap has led to some self-censorship in the arts community, sadly).

Ex Senator Helen Coonan stood up for pokie machines operators against pre-commitment, failing to mention that she'd just been appointed to the board of the Crown Casino. Shame.
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 26 Sep, 2011 08:34 pm
@hingehead,
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Good Q and A last night - although Janet Albrechtsen makes my skin crawl.

Ditto your thoughts on Albrechtsen.
What a charmer. Neutral

I didn't watch it.
Thanks for reminding me.
Will probably get back here after watching it on ivew, later on.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 26 Sep, 2011 08:53 pm
Annabel Crabb's latest Drum piece made me smile.

At last, poor old, beleaguered Wayne gets some recognition!
I am genuinely happy for him.
He deserves it.

Same as I'm genuinely delighted that Joe Hockey has received so much well deserved flack, for being such a racist, in his questioning the credibility of the Euromoney judges.

Here's to you, Wayne! Smile

Quote:
A toast to the best treasurer in the world
The Drum
By ABC's Annabel Crabb

Updated September 21, 2011 16:33:07

Finally, something nice happens to Wayne Swan. Euromoney has declared him to be the best treasurer in the world. This is not a normal thing. Nice things do not often happen to the Treasurer. He's been in politics a long time, the Treasurer, and life there hasn't been easy.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-21/crabb-a-toast-to-the-best-treasurer-in-the-world/2910002
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2011 07:42 am
@hingehead,
Just watched it.
I agree, a good discussion.
I have a lot more respect (not that I didn't have any before) for Rob Oakeshott after that. He had some really tough & leading questions thrown at him & handled them very well ... & honestly, too. Not just pushing his own barrow.
Agree with your opinion re Mark Butler. He handled the question on mental health, in particular, really well. (Never come across him before. I'm impressed.)

I thought the discussion on pokies was really disappointing. The whole focus was on individual personal freedom vs the nanny state . Or how sports clubs might be affected. With no reference at all to the devastating impact on families, the real the cost to society, etc.
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Ex Senator Helen Coonan stood up for pokie machines operators against pre-commitment, failing to mention that she'd just been appointed to the board of the Crown Casino. Shame.

Really? Virginia Trioli obviously hadn't done her homework or she would have mentioned that. Or she should have. As for Helen Coonan not mentioning it herself .... not exactly up front about declaring a vested interest, hey? I agree: shame.

As for reference to the carbon "tax". Blatant Liberal politicking.
 

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