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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 3 Mar, 2011 07:29 am
@msolga,
For a change I don't agree with Annabel.

By her logic I could call Tony Abbott being like Adolf Hitler because they are both bad at painting. The qualification Mirabella used (understanding the people) is meaningless because the person being used for comparison has other 'facets' that override all other considerations - particularly in the sound grab world we live in.
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 3 Mar, 2011 06:44 pm
@hingehead,
Yeah, you're right, hinge.

I think I'm just well & truly over the pettiness & the stupidity of the ongoing Canberra games.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2011 03:42 am
Quote:
VIDEO: Clarke and Dawe talk carbon tax

Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Broadcast: 03/03/2011

Reporter: John Clarke and Bryan Dawe

John Clarke and Bryan Dawe take a look at the carbon tax.


http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3154609.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2011 01:16 am
Quote:
Video: Clarke and Dawe on health
Source: 7.30 Report
Published: Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:54 AEDT
Expires: Wednesday, June 8, 2011 7:54 AEDT

Clarke and Dawe take a look at an issue affecting Canberra.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2011/03/10/3160954.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2011 01:21 am
From the BBC.
Julia goes to Washington.
(Crikey!)

Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard's message to US:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12692689
hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2011 01:27 am
@msolga,
I've noticed a few liberal voters calling her a brown noser. But she didn't even get made sheriff of the pacific.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2011 02:34 am
@hingehead,
I haven't come across any of those Liberal reports, hinge.

But it would seem a bit rich to accuse Julia of worse brown nosing, compared to John Howard. Rolling Eyes

I just wish our prime ministers would stop brown nosing, full-stop.

If NZ doesn't do it, why do we?
hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2011 03:55 am
@msolga,
Maybe it's just a queensland thing - still sore about krudd?
dadpad
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2011 06:24 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
But this "crawling" had another effect. It helped lay the groundwork for Ms Gillard's potentially thorny demands - increased trade co-operation, limiting agricultural subsidies, stricter financial sector reform, and peaceful leadership in the face of rising China.

Because sometimes it also takes a friend to tell you things you don't want to hear.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2011 06:29 pm
@dadpad,
... but she made this fellow cry! Wink

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/51605000/jpg/_51605313_011485591-1.jpg
House Speaker John Boehner fought back tears during Ms Gillard's address

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12692689
hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2011 10:22 pm
@msolga,
A photo of an onion could make that guy cry.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2011 10:26 pm
@hingehead,
Yes, I've heard that he's a very easy crier. Smile
hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2011 10:31 pm
@msolga,
When he called her G'lard, she should have called him Boner.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2011 10:34 pm
@dadpad,
Quote:
But this "crawling" had another effect. It helped lay the groundwork for Ms Gillard's potentially thorny demands - increased trade co-operation, limiting agricultural subsidies ......

I hate to sound the pessimist, dp, but Howard was the greatest crawler & sycophant I can think of, in regard to our relationship with the US.
And that didn't help one iota when it came to Australia receiving a fairer deal under our "free trade" agreement with the US.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/mind-the-gap-benefits-from-free-trade-havent-quite-gone-the-distance-20100302-pg6p.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2011 10:36 pm
@hingehead,
Now that would have done wonders for Oz/US relations! Razz
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 01:37 am
This article is from the latest Crikey.
Comments, anyone?

Me, I think Bernard Keane is being a little unfair. You can't win government by a nose & rely so much on independents for support & have things exactly as you might like them to be, be as gutsy as you'd like to be.
However, some of Keane's comments do ring true to me.

Obviously I would prefer a Labor (Gillard) government (any day!) over an (Abbot) Liberal government, but ..... :


Quote:
Labor's problems: lack of guts and personnel
Crikey Canberra correspondent Bernard Keane writes:

The Gillard government's problems are deep-seated and not easily solved. This is a government so close to the edge of oblivion that the merest whim of an independent could kill it off. The only thing it really has going for it is Tony Abbott.

It's increasingly clear an inability to sell its policies isn't Labor's problem, or at best is only a symptom of a more profound problem. The Prime Minister keeps evoking the Hawke-Keating government, but it lacks both the reform commitment and personnel necessary to come anywhere near the achievements of the 1980s and early 1990s.

The Hawke governments had strong frontbenches. Keating's first ministry did too, though the rot began to set in after John Dawkins bailed out. Even so, such was Keating's reformist determination, he kept the momentum up on seriously big reforms such as competition policy, superannuation and enterprise bargaining.

The Gillard frontbench is weak. Yes, the loss of Lindsay Tanner and John Faulkner are blows from which any government would struggle to recover, but little talent has failed come through and replace them. Chris Bowen has stepped up, and Greg Combet too. But Stephen Smith is in Defence where, as was the case when he was Foreign Minister, his political strengths -- primarily calm and a reassuring sense of knowing what he's talking about -- remain untapped. Tony Burke has struggled with water, Penny Wong has disappeared without trace in Finance and Bill Shorten has impressed everyone with how unimpressive he is.

In yesterday's AFR, there was a piece from Sally Patten on how Shorten may be considering walking away from the financial services reforms to which Bowen committed last year -- including on the "opt-in" provision. Nothing would better symbolise this government's lack of reformist guts than for Shorten to turn tail in the face of a self-interested industry campaign on an issue that costs workers and taxpayers millions. Still, keeping the big end of town on side would be good for Shorten's political ambitions.

But the biggest problem is Wayne Swan. Derided in the early days of the Rudd government, Swan slowly built a reputation for competence in the face of the GFC when the rest of the developed world went to hell. But as deputy he's an ineffective support for the Prime Minister, more Brian Howe than Paul Keating or Peter Costello. He can't prosecute a case in Parliament or in the press. It leaves Labor, which should be able to crow about the remarkable economic success Swan presided over and is partly responsible for, permanently on the defensive on economic matters. It's worse on the carbon price scheme, where he carries the baggage of that fateful Rudd government decision to abandon the CPRS.

Reformist governments need effective treasurers, need senior personnel who can prosecute a case against their opponents and in favour of reform. Hawke had Keating. Howard had Costello. Gillard is not getting that support from Swan.

And in the end you wonder just how committed to climate change action the government is. The Rudd government has more interested in using climate change as a political tool than in seriously addressing it. And the two advocates of action in that debate to drop the CPRS, Rudd and Tanner, have been sidelined or left. For all the "Bob Brown is the real Prime Minister" tripe, would Labor be tackling a carbon price without the Greens pushing them?

The only joy is that, for all the bad polls -- and the Howard and Keating governments recovered from worse numbers -- the public seems pretty clear in not liking Tony Abbott. Abbott's approval ratings have waxed and waned, but around a low level -- he's spent considerable time in net disapproval territory, but occasionally made ventures into positive territory in the past. But for Abbott to fail to build his standing in the face of what voters perceive to be a blatant breach of faith by the Prime Minister suggests voters have made up their minds on the man, come what may.

One's instinct is to look at Malcolm Turnbull as the answer, but remember that he, too, suffered poor approval ratings, and not just after the Godwin Grech debacle. That might change given he has been purged of his sins in that regard by the ordeal of losing his leadership on principle, but the numbers show none of Brendan Nelson, Turnbull or Abbott achieved the sort of standing with voters that the last successful Opposition Leader, one Kevin Rudd, managed.

Still, with an eight-point lead and Labor struggling to convince on what will be the biggest reform of this parliamentary term, Coalition MPs don't have to worry about that just yet.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 02:08 am
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I hate to sound the pessimist, dp, but Howard was the greatest crawler & sycophant I can think of, in regard to our relationship with the US.

I believe one has to see this in a cultural context. to us it sounds like blowing smoke up someones arse but you know how overblown public displays are in America. (watch Opra). To them it sounds like well deserved praise. If it was more understated they would wonder if we really meant it.
The fact that we dont actually mean it is irrelevant.

Watched Gillard on quanda last night get a grilling on carbon tax backflip/ reversal whatever you call it. I thought she presented her self very well. The impression i got was Gillard undersatnds that something needs to be done on the carbon issue. She did not want a carbon tax (as promised prior to the last election) but did want an emission trading scheme.
Gillard and Labour were forced to accept the carbon tax in order to get the greens/independants to support "something" but not "anything".
I haver no problem with announcing a policy.
Let the boffins iron out the bugs and details.
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 02:17 am
@dadpad,
Quote:
I believe one has to see this in a cultural context. to us it sounds like blowing smoke up someones arse but you know how overblown public displays are in America. (watch Opra). To them it sounds like well deserved praise. If it was more understated they would wonder if we really meant it.
The fact that we dont actually mean it is irrelevant.

Julia's speech received next to no coverage in the US media.
As various Oz commentators have said, what matters is how her speech to the US Congress was received at home.
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 02:36 am
@dadpad,
Quote:
Watched Gillard on quanda last night get a grilling on carbon tax backflip/ reversal whatever you call it. I thought she presented her self very well. The impression i got was Gillard undersatnds that something needs to be done on the carbon issue. She did not want a carbon tax (as promised prior to the last election) but did want an emission trading scheme.
Gillard and Labour were forced to accept the carbon tax in order to get the greens/independants to support "something" but not "anything".
I haver no problem with announcing a policy.
Let the boffins iron out the bugs and details.


I didn't watch Q & A last night, so I can't really comment on what transpired.
Of course something needs to be done, but I just wish the electorate was a lot clearer about why the government chose the carbon tax option & what it would actually achieve.
The lack of comprehensible detail gives Abbott a free reign to carry on about his mindless "big tax"/broken promises agenda. (Which definitely appears to be a winner in the polls. Sad )
Please don't misunderstand, I certainly don't want to discredit this government to the advantage of "no solution" Abbott.
I just want this Labor government to do much, much better in communicating its message to the electorate.
If it doesn't we're sunk.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 02:44 am
What bothers me most about carbon pricing is that everyone who is being "innconveinienced" by a carbon price is being compensated.
so who is really paying for giant companies to upgrade their equipment and proceedures?

You and me.
 

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