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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 10:58 pm
@msolga,
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So Noel Pearson is in cahoots with him over this, hinge?


I actually think Noel is driving this. But the Howard govt were very much in bed with the Noel approach of 'bootstrapping yourself out of poverty, substance abuse and neglect'. The valid claim is that Noel is saying what a large proportion of non-indigenous Australians want to hear the solution to indigenous woes is. That's not to say Noel doesn't believe he speaks the truth, there just happens to be a lot of people (black and white) closer to the problem than federal politicians, who think it's simplistic and misguided.

And as Yanner says, it's not stopping development, it's just making sure that the environmental damage is minimised.

Tony is just John Howard 2.0 and Noel would dearly love the LNP back in power funding his various arms unquestioningly. Not that the ALP isn't funding him too, but not as unquestioningly.
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 11:13 pm
@hingehead,
Sigh.
It all sounds like a big mess, hinge.
Wouldn't the local aboriginal people be interested in protecting the environment, though?

Quote:
Tony is just John Howard 2.0 and Noel would dearly love the LNP back in power funding his various arms unquestioningly. Not that the ALP isn't funding him too, but not as unquestioningly.


Sounds quite an irresponsible position to me on Noel Pearson's part, in the circumstances.
And (obviously) a very exploitable one for the Coalition, given the sensitivities within with the ALP.
Divide & conquer. How cynical. Abbott is despicable to try to make mileage out of this for his own ends.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 12:11 am
@msolga,
Bugger!:

Quote:
Liberal MP rejects Labor's speaker offer
Posted 31 minutes ago

Coalition MP Alex Somlyay has turned down an offer from the Government to become deputy speaker and pair his vote with Labor Speaker Harry Jenkins.

His refusal is a blow for the Government, which is trying to preserve its two-seat majority in the Parliament.

In a statement released this afternoon, Mr Somlyay confirmed he had been approached by Labor to stand as its nominee for the position of deputy speaker on the basis that he would support the Government on no confidence motions and supply bills.

He says he has refused the offer but will contest the nomination for the position in the Coalition party room on Monday. ..<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/24/3021438.htm?section=justin
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 12:44 am
@msolga,
Just listened to an interview with Kerry O'Brien on 774, following his decision to leave the 7:30 Report later this year.
He talked of leaving for personal reasons, to take stock of his life at 65 years of age (which I believe. He's been doing this job for 15 years now). He said he'd always meant to do this & was rather sorry to have left it so late in his life. But better late than never.

He also talked about the "dumbing down" (my own interpretation of his words) of the reporting of politics in this country & the need for media bosses to treat their good, experienced political journalists with the respect they deserve in these times of cutbacks & rationalizations. (Hear, hear!)

I just hope that who ever replaces him at the helm of the 7:30 Report pursues their brief with as much commitment & integrity as he has done. And shows as much determination to extract answers from politicians who are determined not to answer the difficult questions . (I'm hoping maybe Chris Uhlmann. This next appointment will be an extremely important one to the standard of reporting of Oz politics. )


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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 06:55 am
@msolga,
The house speaker saga continues .. with, it seems, still more to come!:

Quote:
Liberal MP to back Labor on supply
Updated 2 hours 42 minutes ago

Labor says it has secured the partial support of Liberal MP Alex Somlyay in its bid to end the deadlock over the role of the speaker in the new parliament.

Federal Government sources say Mr Somlyay has agreed to back Labor in terms of supply and confidence if he is elected deputy speaker of the House of Representatives.

But Mr Somlyay has rejected the other element of Labor's proposal - a guarantee on pairing votes.

Earlier, a statement issued in Mr Somlyay's name indicated the Liberal MP had rejected the entire deal.

But Mr Somlyay's office now says the statement was issued by the office of Opposition Leader Tony Abbott.


The ABC has contacted Mr Somlyay to confirm the deal, but the Liberal MP is yet to return the calls ...<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/24/3021583.htm
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 07:38 am
From last night's 7:30 Report:
Video: Clarke and Dawe on the political landscape

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2010/s3020425.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 05:25 pm
@msolga,
Don't you just love it when the Libs' nasty little games come unstuck?

Looks like Abbott might just outsmarted himself & shot himself in the foot.

A letter sent in Somlyay's name (rejecting Labor's offer of speakership) which he didn't send. Interesting, interesting ...

I can't wait for Abbott's next pronouncements on this! Very Happy

Message to Abbott: You lost the election. No one but you & your supporters wants a new one. Get on with the job of being a half-decent oppostion leader. :


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Liberal split over role

September 25, 2010

AUSTRALIA'S precariously hung parliament faced further divisions yesterday as a Coalition candidate for the deputy speakership said Tony Abbott's office had issued a statement on his behalf without his approval.

Liberal Alex Somlyay told The Age he was prepared to back the Gillard government on confidence and supply even though a statement had been issued by the Opposition Leader's office yesterday saying he had ''declined this approach''.

Mr Somlyay said the statement had been drafted by Mr Abbott's senior media adviser, Tony O'Leary and insisted: ''Those are Tony O'Leary's words, not mine.''

The five-paragraph statement suggested Mr Somlyay had declined Labor's request for confidence and supply and also declined its desire that he give up his vote.

But the Liberal MP later faxed his own one-paragraph statement to The Age, saying: ''After discussions with both the Labor Party and my own leader, the Hon. Tony Abbott MHR, I confirm that I will be contesting the nomination for the position of Deputy Speaker in the Coalition party room on Monday.''

Liberal sources dispute that Mr O'Leary wrote the first statement. Mr Somlyay put the afternoon's events down to ''a mix-up'' and added that ''no one likes to see mistakes happen''.

The Liberal MP confirmed he was prepared to offer Labor the same arrangement as the two rural independents. He would back supply and confidence provided there was no corruption, a partial win for the ALP.

His stance means he would support the government during no-confidence motions and on its money bills, critical issues for minority governments. But he made it clear he wants to maintain his right to vote on legislation, and not give up his vote as the government would prefer.

This means he will not agree to Labor's ''pairing'' proposal. The government has wanted the Speaker and Deputy Speaker's votes to be paired, which means they cancel each other out and preserve numbers in the chamber when MPs are absent.

Labor finally confirmed yesterday it would back one of its own, Harry Jenkins, to be Speaker of the House, and the government will also back the Liberal MP for the Deputy Speaker's position when Parliament resumes next week.

This means Mr Somlyay could end up with the deputy speakership even if he fails to win the nomination of his own party room.

Mr Somlyay says this will be his last term as an MP and he wants to use it to reform the processes of the Parliament.

''The reason I'm nominating for this position is because I'm a passionate advocate of parliamentary reform,'' he said. ....


http://www.theage.com.au/national/liberal-split-over-role-20100924-15qo5.html
hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 11:05 pm
@msolga,
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Wouldn't the local aboriginal people be interested in protecting the environment, though?


Certainly some are. Others are more concerned about where they can get a drink. At the Archer River Roadhouse there's a camp where some people from towns with alcohol management plans (ie alcohol can't be brought or bought) turn up and sleep rough till the money runs out, just leaving their kids (some in nappies) back at home unsupervised by any adult. If it wasn't for the mayor checking houses and taking in abandoned kids who knows what would happen to them.

The compost had an interesting editorial today from an editor who makes a lot points Mrs Hinge makes, albeit with a tone I don't much like that I'll post if it ever appears on their web site. Strangely after making some serious points he says that scrapping Wild Rivers legislation is the first step to addressing the issues - bahahahahaha - it's an irrelevance. Scrap wild rivers and the abused children and alcoholics will start their own business. Puhleez.

Their was a second article about the lack of facilities in Yarrabah and Kowanyama (and remote indigenous communities in general) are indigenous issues bubbling back into public consciousness?
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 25 Sep, 2010 03:13 am
@hingehead,
Yes, please post any further information as it comes up, hinge.

Ah, the alcohol problem. Sigh. Of course. I somehow didn't make the connection. Just about the biggest challenge there is for so many aboriginal communities . It sounds very much like Noel Pearson hasn't taken that into consideration. I'm wondering what his approach to such a huge challenge might be?

msolga
 
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Reply Sat 25 Sep, 2010 03:16 am
@msolga,
Hang on! Alex Somlyay has changed his position (again)!
Can you believe this? So many different stories in just a couple of days!
I guess the Lib heavies have stitched him up very nicely in one of their back rooms? Neutral
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 10:40 pm
@msolga,
Did you see the vision of Somylay reversing out his driveway talking to the media? He talked through his hand, classic body language for lying.
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 10:49 pm
@msolga,
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Ah, the alcohol problem. Sigh. Of course. I somehow didn't make the connection. Just about the biggest challenge there is for so many aboriginal communities . It sounds very much like Noel Pearson hasn't taken that into consideration. I'm wondering what his approach to such a huge challenge might be?


His approach would be 'give them nothing so they have no choice but to get jobs or starve'. Like I said his philosophy is bootstrapping. Personally I don't believe it's possibly for someone born with foetal alcohol syndrome, who was first raped as a child, has never seen a parent or relative have a job, in a community where there are no jobs, to suddenly become young entrepreneur of the year, but maybe that's just me.

Don't get me started.

msolga
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 04:16 am
@hingehead,
No, I didn't see that, hinge.
He's been well & truly stomped on by his masters, obviously.
Perhaps they are the Liberals' version of the "faceless men"? The ones that you don't see that much of, but pull the strings & say what goes? Wink
What a farce this whole saga has been! Rolling Eyes
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 04:19 am
@hingehead,
No, I don't believe that, either. Some sort of "tough love" approach? Neutral

Quote:
Don't get me started.


OK.
I do understand where you're coming from, hinge.
hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 03:39 pm
@msolga,
Mrs Hinge has spent the last 15 years in this space (remote rural indigenous communities), and while their are some good news stories, there are a lot of bad news stories too.

She despairs of the government approach (this one and the last one). Where old lessons are ignored, and massively naive assumptions are made about the situation on the ground.

I vent on her behalf (I spend a lot of time being debriefed....)
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 04:09 pm
@hingehead,
Yes, I know hinge. That's why I said I knew you were coming from. How she's worked in that field for so long (& stayed sane at the same time) is beyond my comprehension. But hats off to Mrs Hinge, I say! Smile
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 04:17 pm
On a lighter note ... on the weekend our new female prime minister (wearing a b&w top for the occasion Wink ) moved into the Lodge with her live-in boyfriend (aka "the first bloke"), a hairdresser.

Can you imagine such a thing happening 10, 15, 20 years ago? How things have changed in Oz.
hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 04:45 pm
@msolga,
I love the 'first bloke' tag.

Did you hear Kev and Therese have bought a place at Yarralumlah not far from the lodge for a cool 2.1 million? Man, we couldn't even get Howard to sleep in Canberra.

PS not completely convinced Mrs Hinge's sanity has managed to complete the journey.
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 04:46 pm
A letter to the (AGE) editor published today. Could this be the solution? Wink

(Aren't you thoroughly sick & tired of this fiasco? It's like Days of Our Lives. Neutral Rolling Eyes )


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Katter for deputy

TRADITIONALLY, the Deputy Speaker of the House of Representatives comes from the opposition. But it appears that none of them want to honour agreements made with the independents on voting in the House.

The obvious answer is to offer the position to Bob Katter. His declared support for the Coalition puts him on the non-government side of politics, but at least he will vote in line with agreed principles on supply and confidence.

Graeme Smithies, Northcote


http://www.theage.com.au/national/letters/comparisons-with-war-demean-us-all-20100927-15u0m.html
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 04:47 pm
But bob only shows up for 20% of sittings - though I guess that's kind of like pairing...
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