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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2010 03:45 pm
@msolga,
There were some Kennedy vox pops on the other night on local news and quite a few thought Katter would go labor. I don't think you can overestimate how much he hates the coalition.

I've also heard it said that Katter's is very responsive to his electorate. If you've got a whinge he'll come out and listen, say he agrees with you totally and then say the liberals are screwing you (JH years obviously).

I think something you said earlier is how it will pan out. Gillard will go to the GG and say 'I will form a minority govt'. And the Indies will sit on the cross benches. That's it. None of the indies wants a ministry or the speakers spot. If i was labor I'd nominate a disaffected LNP mp for speaker (Turnbull? - he's probably too smart, maybe Crooks?) Because that role will be heavily watched in this sort of parliament, so any favouritism would reflect badly on the individual and his/her party.

The indies will get stuff for their electorates whenever Labor tries to get a bill through the house. No guarantees up front.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2010 03:49 pm
@dadpad,
That's a nice thought dad. It would be a real test of party politics - would the 'faceless men' of both sides allow it? How will the next election campaign go if you want to blame the govt for poor performance in area where one of your MPs is the minister?

I wonder how much of the electorate thinks this is chance to really shake up polity for the good, and how many are terrified that we are hanging over an abyss.
dadpad
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2010 03:55 pm
Quote:
It would be a real test of party politics - would the 'faceless men' of both sides allow it?


I think the electorate has made a comment on the facless men and Labour MP's in particular need to take note. In fact I think the faceless men need to take note as well and stop mucking about with elected representetives and the parlimentary system.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2010 06:14 pm
Independent trio on song if not always in tune

Interesting analysis of the indies voting patterns in the house. Small wonder Katter doesn't get much of say, he's hardly ever there.

Mayor of Charters Towers also gives some inside info on Katter electoral performance, which gratifyingly reflects mine.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2010 06:16 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

I wonder how much of the electorate thinks this is chance to really shake up polity for the good, and how many are terrified that we are hanging over an abyss.


I have a feeling almost everybody feels various degrees of both. The politicians themselves included.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2010 06:19 pm
Hi, all - I'm just speaking up to let you know that I continue reading along, and this situation now is particularly interesting to me.
Will probably post again next year..
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2010 07:47 pm
@ossobuco,
We'll probably be having another election before then Osso!
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2010 07:49 pm
A summing up of the state of play by Annabel Crabb of ABC's The Drum
Quote:
The importance of family values

By Annabel Crabb

Posted 19 minutes ago

The terrain becomes more complicated.

Here's the situation, as Day Five dawns.

Andrew Wilkie seems certain now to join the parliament.

This saps one seat away from the Labor Party, which cannot expect his vote, Mr Wilkie says.

In fact, Mr Wilkie is so determinedly independent that even the independents look partisan to him; a group of three grosses him out nearly as much as the major parties.

"We're not a bloc!" protested Windsor, Oakeshott and Katter yesterday.

Rob Oakeshott elaborated that even though the three were sitting together for the purposes of negotiating a path to stable government, no-one should expect them to vote together and they would very likely be "fighting like cats and dogs again" within months.

Yesterday, it emerged that "Not-A-Bloc" had called in Bruce Hawker for advice.

Hawker, a lobbyist-strategist close to serial NSW governments who is presently on leave from his famous firm Hawker Britton, was called in by Rob Oakeshott on the basis of his past advocacy of structural change to the Australian system of executive government.

That said, Hawker is also Tony Windsor's cousin.

This is a genealogical accident for which federal Labor is silently mouthing thanks to the electoral gods, who had to date bestowed decidedly mixed blessings upon La Gillardine and her brawling retinue.

The Coalition has political family ties to the three former Nats, of course.

But as in many families, they are vexed, and just about anything can spark up a dispute.

Last night's refusal by Tony Abbott to have Treasury examine his policy costings elicited a Lateline blast from Bob Katter.

"The reaction from everyone in Australia would be, what's this guy got to hide here?" barked Mr Katter.

Mr Abbott responded this morning with a bit of equally angst-ridden recent history; he would not give his costings to Treasury, he insisted, until the police had finished dealing with the Treasury leak from the campaign.

The "sheer political bastardry" of the leak was something he could not forget, he declared.

Perhaps Mr Abbott's status as a KGP sleeper (Kinder, Gentler Polity) is already under threat.

Mr Katter's bitterest personal animus is reserved for the National Party, the comments of whose leader Warren Truss on election night he mentions, oh, every few minutes or so (Mr Truss pointed out during the election broadcast how rarely Mr Katter shows up for votes when parliament is sitting).

Having been chipped for years by his former National Party colleagues, Mr Katter is clearly relishing his opportunity to ridicule and degrade them at every public opportunity.

Mr Truss and his colleague Barnaby Joyce have been professionally disappeared for the negotiation period - probably to a nice farm somewhere - but cannot be enjoying the sight of Katter with the whip hand.

But is it possible for Mr Katter to make a fair decision when his mind is so clearly exercised by the slights of the past?

Andrew Wilkie has at least as much ground for personal resentment against the Coalition, but seems much more capable of keeping a lid on it.

Indeed, three separate strands of thought emerged clearly yesterday from the three constituent elements of "Not-A-Bloc", as they staged an outdoor press conference at Parliament House.

(Three-way outdoor press conferences are not an easy affair to cover, it quickly became apparent as a forest of dictaphone-wielding arms swayed back and forth between the three like seaweed in a strong current. Short of energetic recruitment in the octopus world, it is hard to see how the fourth estate is going to manage this beyond the short term.)

Rob Oakeshott, of the three, has the weakest discernible emotional ties to the Coalition. He is firmly of the "Let's shake this thing up" school, and the elements of the seven "demands" tendered yesterday that are most clearly his include the call for a "consensus" model for dealings between the Reps and the Senate, whatever that might be.

Mr Katter is a man of many words, but his primary motivation seems to be his electorate, and he is anxious to remind us that he owes nothing at all to anyone who does not live in it.

Mr Windsor's most urgent concern, he says, is stability, and of the three he is the one who most often brings the subject back around to the prospect of a new election.

In contrast to Mr Abbott, Ms Gillard is more than happy to give Not-A-Bloc access to her costings. And to Treasury secretary Ken Henry. And to pretty much anything else they want, it seems at this stage.

Incumbency is a help, here, and Ms Gillard is taking full advantage, even down to the personalised folders she distributed yesterday to the independents, setting out the effect of Government policy on each of their electorates.

It is within her power to be obliging.

In her interests, too - in the most desperate sense imaginable.

Annabel Crabb is ABC Online's chief political writer.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2010 07:58 pm
The Chaser showed an appalling piece of telejournalism on election night by SkyNews at the tallyroom in Canberra. Journalist pulls Truss aside for a vox, asks a question. Five seconds into his answer there a growing noise from the tally room floor and journo stands on tiptoes to see what it is, somehow avoiding hitting Truss in face with mic, and says in excited voice 'Bob Brown has just entered the tally room, we'll go down and see if we can talk to him' and walks off camera leaving Truss blank-faced. Then you hear her voice say 'Er, Mr Truss we'll get back to you alter, you don't mind?'

And in the Chaser replay there's a Tweet at the bottom:

@WarrenTruss : I bet #YWC won't even show my full tw



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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2010 07:58 pm
Did someone already mention that the GG is Bill Shorten's mother in law?
Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2010 08:59 pm
@hingehead,
Yeah that's old news. Can't possibly matter even if she's bent. If the gg gave gillard government without support in the house of reps, they'd just roll her on day one with a vote of no confidence.
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2010 09:33 pm
@Eorl,
I kind of mention because Bruce Hawker who the indies have called in as adviser is Tony Windsor's cousin, and a former NSW ALP strategist. And Bob Katter became the member for Kennedy three years after his father vacated the seat. And we know about the Beazleys and Creams. It all made me start wondering if there's more of a class system in Australia than we'd thought...
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 12:54 am
I see there's quite a bit of catch up reading here! But I may have to do that a bit later .. (going out for an early Indian meal with a friend .. who's arriving here soon.)

In the meantime, those pesky independents have been busy. Today Abbott got a serve from them.

The Libs refused to submit their policy costings to Treasury during the campaign (after a leak during the campaign which didn't make them look all that crash hot! Wink ) & they're refusing to do it now. :


Quote:

Independents round on Abbott in costings row

Updated 2 hours 53 minutes ago

Key independent MPs have described Tony Abbott's refusal to hand his policies over to Treasury for scrutiny as "extraordinary" and "silly".

Rob Oakeshott, Tony Windsor and Bob Katter are expected to hold the balance of power in a hung parliament and yesterday gave a list of demands to Mr Abbott and caretaker Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

Among another requests, they want the Coalition's policies to be examined by Treasury - a key demand which has already been rejected by Mr Abbott.

Member for New England Tony Windsor says Mr Abbott has been "silly".

"It's not a good start," he said. "I can't see why an independent authority such as Treasury can't be trusted."

Speaking from Townsville, Member for Kennedy Bob Katter said Mr Abbott's decision was "extraordinary".

"Obviously every person in Australia at the present moment believes that he's got something to hide," he said.

"He's been very ill advised to take this stand."


During the election campaign the Opposition refused to submit its policies for costing because a Treasury document which revealed a shortfall in one of its polices was leaked to the media. ...<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/26/2994178.htm
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 01:00 am
@msolga,
And (my goodness!) there was also this.:

Quote:
...What we're trying to establish here is a degree of trust and Tony Abbott says he doesn't trust the Treasury. Well, people will start to cast a doubt on whether people trust Tony Abbott if in fact he won't back his own promises up to independent scrutiny."

The criticism by the independents came after Mr Abbott launched a scathing attack on Julia Gillard, accusing her of making a desperate attempt to cling to power by trashing the Westminster system of government.

Mr Abbott is furious that Labor has agreed to provide confidential Treasury advice to the independents.

The trio met the Opposition Leader and Ms Gillard yesterday to present each with seven requests to help the trio come to a decision.

They want both sides to provide their election policies to Treasury for costing.

Ms Gillard agreed to submit Labor's promises, but Mr Abbott refused point blank.


Instead the Coalition will provide costings of its policies that were prepared by a leading audit firm during the election campaign.

"We'll be absolutely up front and candid with the independents," he told ABC Radio.


http://www.smh.com.au/federal-election/independents-attack-abbotts-defiance-on-treasury-costings-20100826-13sna.html?from=age_ft&autostart=1

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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 01:19 am
@hingehead,
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I too have a lot of time for Wilkie. As one of the hundreds of thousands who marched against the Iraq war (and not the Afghanistan war) I understand his frustration at the massive deception John Howard and co inflicted on the people they represented, and were never called to account for.

If I ever meet Howard I will be asking him how he sleeps at night, and that I hold him personally responsible with Blair and Bush for every life taken in that illegal conflict.


My sentiments exactly, hinge
I guess that would be pretty obvious by my comments so far.

But can you believe this?!
Extraordinary coming from Abbott! Surprised :


Quote:
Apology to Wilkie over war stand
August 26, 2010/The AGE
http://images.theage.com.au/2010/08/22/1833840/wilkie_main-420x0.jpg
Former soldier and intelligence analyst Andrew Wilkie.

THE likely key independent MP Andrew Wilkie said Opposition Leader Tony Abbott had apologised for the Howard government's vilification of him over his opposition to the Iraq War.

Mr Wilkie said the apology came as both Mr Abbott and Prime Minister Julia Gillard began to court his support as a key player in the shape of the next parliament.

The former intelligence analyst was pursued by the Howard government in 2003 after his decision to quit its Office of National Assessments and speak out as a whistleblower against the war.


Prime minister John Howard claimed at the time that Mr Wilkie was ''guilty of distortion, exaggeration and misrepresentation'' in his attacks on the government's use of intelligence.


Liberal Senator David Johnston went further, describing Mr Wilkie as ''unstable and flaky'', earning a rebuke from Mr Howard, who also expressed regret for a suggestion out of his office that Mr Wilkie was ''unbalanced''. Seven years later, the one-time army lieutenant-colonel is beginning what he pledges will be ''transparent'' talks with both Mr Abbott and Ms Gillard, though Mr Wilkie is still stopping short of claiming victory in the Hobart seat of Denison.

Mr Wilkie said that in a telephone conversation yesterday Mr Abbott noted the way he had been treated over the war by the Howard government. ''And he said that although he is still a strong supporter of the Iraq War, he did apologise for the way I was treated … Members of the Howard government vilified me publicly, both in the House of Representatives and the Senate, and he was trying to build a bridge with me.

''I said thank you. That's over. The way I was treated by the Coalition and the Howard government, that is history.'' ...<cont>


http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/apology-to-wilkie-over-war-stand-20100825-13s75.html

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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 01:23 am
Surprised

This is all very strange & interesting & encouraging, isn't it? Smile
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 01:58 am
Update: Coalition 72 seats, ALP 71 seats ...:

Quote:

Wyatt secures Hasluck for Liberals
Updated 1 hour 49 minutes ago
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201008/r627168_4249377.jpg
Ken Wyatt will become the first Indigenous person to take a seat in the House of Representatives (AAP: Josh Jerga)

ABC election analyst Antony Green has called the Western Australian seat of Hasluck for the Liberals, putting the Coalition ahead of Labor by one seat.

The Coalition is now on 72 seats to Labor's 71
, with the four independents and Greens MP set to become kingmakers in a new minority government after yesterday putting their demands to the major parties.

Liberal candidate Ken Wyatt will now become the first Indigenous person to take a seat in the House of Representatives after winning Hasluck from Sharryn Jackson. ...<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/26/2994445.htm
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Eorl
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 05:44 am
This is an interesting phase.
I'm seeing it like this;

Indies "the old rules are gone. There are no rules. This is a test"

Gillard; "I can work with that. I'll have to get advice, but I'm pretty sure I'm up for it"

Abbott; "Nobody changes the rules. They are the rules. I'm just following the rules"

Indies; " 15/love"

msolga
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 05:57 am
@Eorl,
It's wonderful, isn't it?

Hmmmm, what are those Liberals hiding from Treasury?
Something not quite with their estimates, hmmm .... ?

Love it! Very Happy
Eorl
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 06:05 am
@msolga,
Mmmm. And the ones that seem most put out are the ones who seemed most likely to have a more natural conservative alignment. Still, I wouldn't put too much faith in anything yet.
 

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