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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 07:07 pm
@realjohnboy,
I wish I could say my pleasure, RJB. This has been a truly dismal campaign .. probably the least inspiring I've ever experienced. (& that's saying something! Neutral )

(My prediction is that Labor will hold on & win in the house of representatives, but with Greens preferences ... & that the Greens will hold the balance of power in the senate. Though which party will actually have the majority of members in the senate, I honestly can't predict .... )
Eorl
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 07:20 pm
Saturdays headlines: Labor surges to election winning lead.
Sundays headlines; Swing in marginals enough to give coalition government.
Mondays headlines perhaps; Polls proven reliable according to one poll, unreliable in another. Meanwhile, in other news...
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 07:22 pm
@msolga,
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...a truly dismal campaign .. probably the least inspiring I've ever experienced. (& that's saying something! Neutral )


This'll give you some idea of how many of us are feeling about this campaign. Neither of these articles are from crank sources ... they're from the ABC's commentators.

What did we deserve to get this? Neutral ;


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....The risk that Julia Gillard might turn out to be a not-so-good prime minister, nauseously implicit in the weird East Timor shemozzle, the climate change people's assembly idea (are you serious?) and the idea that this woman's strength of character and personal conviction could be overwhelmed so readily by campaign advisers that she would behave like an automaton for two weeks just because they thought it would be a good idea.

The risk, on the other hand, that Tony Abbott might be even worse: a man who changes his mind as regularly as he does his Speedos, who advocated Coalition support for the Government's emissions trading scheme six months before he became personally responsible for blowing it up, who promised no new taxes but then announced a big new one he didn't even mention to his shadow Cabinet because he knew what they'd say and in any event he believes it's better to seek forgiveness than ask permission.

Wow. It's some choice. .....


Loony election campaigns go local:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/13/2982386.htm?site=thedrum

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.....The lack of attention to serious policy issues seems to have been one of the most common complaints about the 2010 federal election. Voters seem apathetic, the media cynical, politicians clueless. Above all, the dominant theme seems to be disengagement: between politicians and voters, between politicians and the media, and between the media and voters. As Hugh McKay asked pointedly on the weekend, "What if the best ad campaign wins an election for its party?"

Many people fear that we have already arrived at just such a place. The widespread unease among voters in this election about the triviality of it all, and the contrived, controlled, photo-opportunity-driven character of the major parties' campaigns sets off a clanging alarm in our heads: has it really come to this? .....


The longing for engagement:
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2981449.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 07:29 pm
@msolga,
Antony Green on the Galaxy poll.
(and he is never wrong, trust me! Wink ) :


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...The five 2PP figures for 2007 and 2010 reported above apply only to the four electorates in each state. They are not 2-party preferred figures for each state, and the Galaxy tables have been very precise in setting out the 4-seats per state nature of the poll.

What someone has done is take the five entries in the 2010 2PP column and average them to get a national figure. Wrong. Very wrong.

There are two serious errors commited here. First, the figures are for four electorates, NOT the states. Second, while the state samples are the same size, the state populations are not. To get a National 2PP figure, you need a weighted average of the state swings, NOT a simple average of the survey 2PPs by state. ....


http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2010/08/galaxy-marginal-seat-poll.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2010 07:35 pm
@Eorl,
Good morning, Eorl. Smile

Quote:
Saturdays headlines: Labor surges to election winning lead.
Sundays headlines; Swing in marginals enough to give coalition government.
Mondays headlines perhaps; Polls proven reliable according to one poll, unreliable in another. Meanwhile, in other news...


Yeah sure, but ...
The parties & the politicians take the polls very seriously.
The polls are what has made them do what they've done (or not done) so far in this campaign, so ..

Actually, it's sounding like Galaxy has stuffed up (according to Antony), so if one accepts his analysis (above) , Labor is actually in front in all the most recent polls ....
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Eorl
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 07:02 am
Hey guys... I understand it's illegal to encourage others to deliberately cast an invalid vote.

Only, I coulda sworn I heard Mark Latham do exactly that on commercial tv this evening !!
Eorl
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 07:23 am
@Eorl,
Nah, I understand my understanding is erroneous.

Bugger.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 05:26 am
@Eorl,
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I understand it's illegal to encourage others to deliberately cast an invalid vote.


Well there was the famous case in 1996 (I think ... relying on memory here) , Eorl, when Albert Langer (in Victoria) was actually gaoled (!) for publicly advocating a method of stuffing up the preferential voting system: i.e.vote 1 for the candidate you actually want, then give all the rest (you don't want) second preferences ... so none of them would count, of course!

So you're not so far off the mark, after all.

I think I'm about "election campaigned" out. Anyone else feeling the same?

Still, if I can stay awake (it's been a long day), I'll watch Abbott on Q & A , in just a short while.
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 06:56 am
@msolga,
Damn. I did fall asleep during bits of it, so now I'll have to check out an ABC video.

What's the verdict from those of you who managed to stay awake?
hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 04:09 pm
@msolga,
Dang I forgot all about it - that must be where Abbott's snap debate/town hall offer has come from. Why Wednesday night - Gruen Nation having too much impact? It smells of desperation to me, liberal inhouse polling must giving his campaign team bad news.

I did watch Good News Week though.

A couple of good lines though:

"Tony, every time I see you you're swimming or cycling or hiking, that's not an election campaign, that's a tampon commercial."

Really poorly paraphrased:
"This is election is so f*cked that it doesn't matter who wins, and it doesn't matter what Bob Brown does, he'll still have the balance of power in the senate." (there were mentions of riding sea lions in pitt street, as is Mikey Robbins way, but the underlying thought is correct.)
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 04:16 pm
Heard about this on the J's news this morning. This is lifted from the SMH site:

Top economists back Labor's stimulus plan
August 17, 2010

More than 50 leading economics professors and lecturers have entered the political fray by declaring in an open letter that Labor's stimulus program worked and the economic achievements of the Labor government should be ''recognised by the population''.

The organiser, Raja Junankar, from the University of NSW, said the letter had nothing to do with the Labor Party and developed from a meeting with his colleagues 10 days ago in which they expressed despair at newspaper articles ''claiming the stimulus didn't work, that it cost a lot of money, that it caused deficits''.

I'm glad someone said it. The Libs ads saying 8 billion $ was wasted on schools (when in actual fact, in 3% of cases the deal wasn't the best possible) makes them look childish. 'Nuh uh - you are!' I believe that, like the USA, the right believe they have a right to power, and that any drift to the left is an abomination that must be snuffed out ASAP and the rightful order restored (Fraser v Whitlam springs to mind).
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 04:53 pm
Is Good News Week a comedy show?
Eorl
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 05:56 pm
@msolga,
The only bit that stayed with me, was this back-hander...

"I don't expect people to hold my religious convictions against me, any more than they hold Julia Gillard's lack of convictions against her."
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 06:31 pm
@realjohnboy,
Yep RJB, it's a satirical current affairs panel/quiz show, that frequently drops into the scatological.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 03:56 am
Tweetspace is so anti-tony - is that cause of the broadbean network? I'm watching 7.30 report and the tweet feed for #730Report and #ausvotes abject fail if the judgement is to be believed.

How much longer before we see the real Tony. I wonder if he's preparing his concession speech for Saturday night. That could be painful or cathartic.
Deckland
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 01:04 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

The right believe they have a right to power, and that any drift to the left is an abomination that must be snuffed out ASAP and the rightful order restored (Fraser v Whitlam springs to mind).


Absolutely spot on hingehead.
Both Malcolms spring to mind with that smug superior attitude.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 03:52 pm
@hingehead,
That's because baby boomers don't tweet but they do vote conservative. Broadly speaking, of course.
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 05:40 pm
@Eorl,
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...Broadly speaking, of course.


I'm glad you added that bit, Eorl. Wink
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 05:46 pm
Just 3 days to go, not counting today ...

Anyone excited yet?
The most exciting prospect for me is the likely first ever Greens member in the house of reps (in the seat of Melbourne).
And the prospect of the Greens holding the balance of power in the senate.
Apart from that (at this point), blah ... Neutral

Of course, I will become very excited & overwrought, should I wake up on Sunday morning to prime minister Abbott! Wink
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 06:25 pm
@msolga,
Not waving, drowning. Having sat through a decade of Howard reelections I have to admit to not having much faith in my fellow Australians. I'm worried that ALP will get 52% of vote and lose the election. And then the mad monk will rush through stuff with Steven Fielding's support prior to the Greens controlling the senate July 2011.

Hope the voting virgins get it right.
 

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