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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2010 05:53 pm
Just saying good morning to you, jeeprs, on the odd chance you might be reading this. (Not possible to send you a PM, so I'll post here instead.)
I'd love to see you back here, to see what you make of things at this point.
I really hope you'll consider the idea .. Smile

edit: would a substantial bribe do the trick? Wink
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2010 05:53 pm
@msolga,
Ah well, I tried ... Sad
Back to talking to myself, then .. Wink
... and back to the Libs & Labor attempting to outdo each other, tit for tat ..

Anyone else breathless with anticipation about tonight's debate? Very Happy :


Quote:
Coalition plans to slash migration levels
Updated 59 minutes ago

The Federal Opposition says it would cut migration levels by almost half if it wins the election.

The Coalition says it would reduce Australia's net overseas migration from nearly 300,000 people per year to just 170,000 if it wins the election.

The Opposition's immigration spokesman, Scott Morrison, has indicated the number of skilled worker visas will be protected.


"We are very keen to ensure a strong skilled migration program and one that particularly addresses the needs of regional areas," he said.

"We need to get our population growth rate back to - at least - the long term average."

Population Minister Tony Burke has accused the Opposition of using a sneaky political trick.

He says migration levels are already forecast to fall even further than the Coalition's target.

"By 2011/2012, it's forecast that we'll be at 145,000," he said.

"All he's done is take existing projections over the next 12 months or so and call them his policy."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/25/2963428.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2010 06:04 pm
A wild card indeed, if this happens.
Should make for some very colourful accusations about economic management credentials & some "interesting" promises, too! Wink :


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Interest rate rise looms as wild card in election battle
July 24, 2010

AUSTRALIA'S market economists believe the Reserve Bank could have to raise interest rates next month in the middle of the election campaign, with new inflation figures likely to exceed its forecasts. ...<cont>


http://www.theage.com.au/national/interest-rate-rise-looms-as-wild-card-in-election-battle-20100723-10owe.html
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2010 06:21 pm
@msolga,
Quote:
Should make for some very colourful accusations about economic management credentials & some "interesting" promises, too! Wink :


Threatened mortgage rate rises bring out the very best in our politicians! Especially those whose election prospects are not looking too wonderful.
... Say nothing of causing panic in financially over-extended mortgagees.
Watch this space on Wednesday afternoon if there is a rate rise! Expect a few well-placed bribes aimed at the mortgage belt voters. Especially those in the closely contested seats. :


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Warning: your mortgage is going up
July 25, 2010

The Reserve Bank cannot leave rates unchanged for long - and inflation numbers out this week may mean extra mortgage pain as soon as August.

THOSE with a mortgage be warned: if ever there was a statistical release capable of pushing the Reserve Bank to pull the trigger and lift interest rates, it's the June quarter inflation reading due on Wednesday morning.


http://www.theage.com.au/business/property/warning-your-mortgage-is-going-up-20100724-10prc.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2010 06:32 pm
Laughing

I know how Leunig feels.
Will post a few more of this weekend's political cartoons later in the day, perhaps ... :


http://images.theage.com.au/2010/07/20/1704759/svLEUNIG_JULY21-600x400.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2010 04:59 am
Well, did anyone watch it?
(No, not Master Chef! Smile )
I watched.
So what's the verdict, then?
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dadpad
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2010 05:10 am
The verdict was ummmm unbelievable. Boh my wife and myself were gobsmacked when the verdict was announced.
Gillard 63% to Abbot 37% was not reflected by the worm(s) that I saw.
My judgement was Abbot seemed to be more generally popular with women.
Laurie Oaks seemed to agree with me.
Lacklustre performance by both leaders.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2010 05:50 am
@dadpad,
Anyone else watch it?
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2010 06:26 am
@dadpad,
My 2 bob's worth:

I agree with you that it was a lacklustre affair, dp. Though I thought Julia Gillard performed much better than Tony Abbott. I'm still not crazy over Labor's policies, though she was definitely more convincing in selling them than Abbott was in selling the Libs' policies. Abbott improved over the hour as he relaxed considerably. His starting address was quite stilted.

Interestingly, dapad, the Age saw the "gender appeal" of the two exactly the other way around to you:

Quote:
Ms Gillard clearly performed better among women, while Opposition Leader Tony Abbott performed better among men.

.... Ms Gillard sent the men's graph tumbling when she turned negative, while Mr Abbott appeared to offend women during his sledging of the government's policies.

If the Nine Network's debate worms were any guide to his election chances, Mr Abbott better get a wriggle on, especially with women.

But Ms Gillard has work to do on climate change and her move against former Labor leader Kevin Rudd.

Nine's worms put Ms Gillard well ahead of Mr Abbott in the final analysis of Sunday night's leaders' debate, with 63 per cent to 37. ...


http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/gillard-wins-in-tight-debate-20100725-10qfv.html?rand=1280052711324

I watched the debate on the ABC (minus worms, or any other such observer feedback indicators) & I'm rather surprised at the notion that Abbott somehow offended women, especially after his maternal leave, pitch. This "gender" preference thing is quire interesting, isn't it?

I thought Abbott did a fairly straight rundown on the Libs' policies & was rather gobsmacked, actually, with what Julia got away with in her education & asylum seeker pitches (the two policy areas that I know most about). Neither area has exactly been a success for Labor. Well, not in my book, anyway.

Did either of them even mention climate change? I'm not sure. If they did, their statements made little impact.

Interestingly, the ABC broadcast feedback from an "on the spot" reporter at a social club in western Sydney (where Labor is apparently in a bit of strife with its "traditional" support base). Of the 6 people approached, 4 went with the Abbott & only 2 thought Gillard did a better job. Very strange. Confused

Anyway, my assessment would be something like: 54 Labor/46 Libs. But purely on the basis of salesmanship. Julia was simply a better communicator than Abbott was.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2010 06:40 am
Quote:
Anyway, my assessment would be something like: 54 Labor/46 Libs. But purely on the basis of salesmanship. Julia was simply a better communicator than Abbott was.


I put it about 48/52 with Gillard slightly ahead.
It seemed to me that the pink worm liked Abbot except when he was negetive. The pink line seemed to be above the blue line almost all the time Abbot was speaking.

anyway a crumpet with honey on it was more interesting.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2010 06:45 am
@dadpad,
Quote:
anyway a crumpet with honey on it was more interesting.


I'm certain it was! Smile

Odd campaign, this one. (If I wasn't so obsessive about these things I would have switched of by now! Wink )

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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2010 06:54 am
I hope there'll be more feedback on the debate from other oz folk ..

But, just before I head off to bed, a rundown on last week's happenings from the political cartoonists:


http://images.theage.com.au/2010/07/21/1706488/tandberg21cod-620x0.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2010 06:56 am
@msolga,
"moving forward" is Labor's slogan for this campaign:

http://images.theage.com.au/2010/07/23/1711617/Moir_7_24-600x400.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2010 07:00 am
@msolga,
Asylum seekers policies/ not that much differences between the big 2/& the clash between Master Chef & tonight's debate. (the debate was moved back an hour as few might be watching! Wink ) :

http://images.theage.com.au/2010/07/24/1712733/svGOLDING_JULY25-600x400.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2010 07:01 am
@msolga,
http://images.theage.com.au/2010/07/23/1711717/svTANDBERG_JULY24-600x400.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2010 07:23 am
Finally .. :

Quote:
Latham monsters them all for their vacuousness
July 25, 2010/SMH
http://images.smh.com.au/2010/07/25/1713621/latham4201-420x0.jpg

The one-time prime ministerial candidate can astutely highlight the vacuousness of both major parties' campaigns.

The former Labor Party leader Mark Latham has become pretty good at publicly harpooning his successors.

Many of his former Labor colleagues still dismiss Latham as being inspired by bitterness and anger. It's a convenient argument that distracts from the point.

The point being that Latham makes his old mates squirm because of his knack, now that he's a commentator with a unique political insight, of shining a light on their hypocrisies and political inadequacies. Forget his motivations. Listen to what he says. ...<cont>


http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/latham-monsters-them-all-for-their-vacuousness-20100724-10pgo.html
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2010 11:20 am
I thought I had read (and perhaps commented on on some thread) that the AUS equivalent of the Federal Reserve or Central Bank had inched up the interest rate a couple of weeks ago. Canada and NZ did likewise, while the U.S. and U.K. kept rates at near zero.
Did I imagine that?
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2010 05:32 pm
@realjohnboy,
Hi RJB, pretty sure that our central bank (the Reserve Bank) held off on a raise (the last was in March), and that pundits weren't expecting any before Christmas unless the the global economic recovery became less shakey, but our trade balance is so positive at the moment there is a chance of a raise soon.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2010 05:38 pm
I thought Julia won, on delivery alone. Tony comes across stilted to me (I am biased) - it was clear when he was reading something prepared, and when answering off the cuff he has an odd rhythm to his speech - he says three words, pauses, says three words, ums, says three words pauses...

Not a sound political reason for disliking him but Julia comes across as calmer and more confident.

There is no way I'm voting for a 'Howard by proxy' government. The libs need some renewal, like the ALP since 1996.

And for Tony to think that the Rudd deposement was somehow unlike the Nelson/Turnbull deposements is ludicrous.

We don't vote for prime ministers (directly) nor do we vote for governers general (thanks Howard).
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2010 05:40 pm
@hingehead,
I thought the people's assembly on climate change was silly at first, but I thought Julia did a nice justification.

No point introducing legislation that a change of government will tear up, better to have the majority of people convinced of the action so that it's a no-brainer for either side of politics. Don't think the assembly will achieve that but it made sense.
 

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