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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 29 Sep, 2012 07:46 pm
Oh god, he's been at it again. Only this time Alan Jones made these despicable comments at a Liberal Party fundraiser ... & someone taped him. I guess you could say a sort of Romney moment? Wink

Hate speech or what?

Question is, what will Tony Abbott have to say about these goings on in his own party?
Will he discipline Jones, or disown him ... or even expell him from the Liberal Party?
Lots of demand on social media sites this morning (including from Kevin Rudd, amongst many others) that he does respond, & immediately. ....Does the Liberal Party tolerate this sort of hate speech or not?

Quote:
Shock jock Alan Jones has sparked outrage with his comments about Prime Minister Julia Gillard's recently deceased father, John.

There are calls for a boycott of radio station 2GB over remarks by Sydney broadcaster Alan Jones that the Prime Minister's father, John Gillard, had "died of shame".

The talkback host told a packed room of Liberal Party members: "Every person in the caucus of the Labor Party knows that Julia Gillard is a liar, everybody. I will come to that in a moment. The old man recently died a few weeks ago of shame. To think that he has a daughter who told lies every time she stood for Parliament."

In a tape recording of the dinner, laughter can be heard in the background as Jones makes his remarks.


Gillard's father died of shame: Alan Jones:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/gillards-father-died-of-shame-alan-jones-20120929-26soa.html?rand=1649573

Jones says PM's father 'died of shame':
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-30/jones-says-pms-dad-27died-of-shame27/4287770

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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 29 Sep, 2012 09:22 pm
@msolga,
Alan Jones has no shame, but what about Tony Abbott?:
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/alan-jones-has-no-shame-but-what-about-tony-abbott-20120930-26t5d.html
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 29 Sep, 2012 09:52 pm
@msolga,
Last comment: Jones has said "sorry" for his words in a press conference a while ago.
More likely he's sorry that his words were taped, I reckon! Rolling Eyes
Can only imagine what pressure Abbott & the Libs applied to get him to do that.
Don't believe a word of it!
Back to business as usual for him in no time, I'd say.
Ugh. Revolting.

Jones sorry for saying Gillard's dad 'died of shame':
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-30/jones-apologises-for-black-parody-remarks/4288118
Builder
 
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Reply Sun 30 Sep, 2012 12:27 am
@msolga,
LOL at "a romney moment" but isn't it completely on form for the attack dog status of the opposition to laugh at such remarks?

Where's the policies ? Where's the platform? Where's the budget (one that adds up, that is)? Where's the credibility?

Inviting a shock-jock(joke) like Jones to a party dinner was supposed to have what outcome, exactly? Was tycoon and erstwhile party pundit Palmer invited? He's been shown the door for having an opinion that doesn't match that of the party, and yet Jones gets a welcome card?

Reminds me of that other foot-in-mouth diseased nobody, (used to be a music critic shock-jock) teamed up with a blonde has-been. Nup. he's history, just like Jones will be.
Eorl
 
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Reply Sun 30 Sep, 2012 01:13 am
@msolga,
If you can stomach it, you ought to listen or read the so-called apology. He made plenty of reference to why he has all that frustration that lead him to do it... in other words, used the opportunity to forward his agenda with an even bigger audience than usual.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 30 Sep, 2012 02:18 am
@Builder,
The event was a Young Liberals fund-raiser, Builder. (This is the future of the Liberal Party? Shocked )
Amongst other items auctioned (for funds) was a chaff bag vest signed by Alan Jones.
Remember his famous chaff bag quote? Something along the lines of she (Gillard) should be put in a chaff bag & thrown out at sea.
Delightful. Rolling Eyes
Builder
 
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Reply Sun 30 Sep, 2012 02:26 am
@msolga,
His ratings must be way down.

On the self-importance meter, he must be in the high sevens.

I'm wondering what his boyfriend thinks of his showpony status. 2 Cents
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 30 Sep, 2012 03:07 am
@Eorl,
Quote:
If you can stomach it, you ought to listen or read the so-called apology. He made plenty of reference to why he has all that frustration that lead him to do it... in other words, used the opportunity to forward his agenda with an even bigger audience than usual.

I watched as much as I could stomach, Eorl. Admittedly not the whole press conference.
Nauseating, self-serving, self-promoting crap. I agree.
He had no choice but to be so revolting! Rolling Eyes

This publicity may or may not gain him new "fans". I think that's debatable.
But you could look at it in another way ... at least now it will be perfectly clear where exactly his ugly anti-Gillard, anti-ALP tirades are coming from.
He is a member of the Liberal Party. An extremely conservative one. And is using his position & influence in what-ever way he can to further Liberal prospects at the next election.
There can no longer be any pretense that Jones is some vaguely objective (ha!) outraged broadcaster/observer of this government.
Propaganda. That's what his broadcasts are about. In its ugliest form.
If his devoted audience can't see that, then they're either ignorant or stupid, or else the right wing lunatic fringe ... nothing will change those people's views.

In the meantime, I would really love to see a complete list of those companies who advertise/support his broadcasts. I would definitely make a point boycotting their products.

Anyway .... so very good to see you after such a long time, Eorl.
You have been sorely missed!

msolga
 
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Reply Sun 30 Sep, 2012 08:15 pm
@msolga,
Quote:
Jones has said 2GB management and his program's advertisers were well aware of his position on political issues and that they were not looking to withdraw their support.

However, about 11,000 people have signed up to an online campaign targeting companies such as Harvey Norman, Virgin Australia, Big W and Mercedes-Benz, urging them to boycott 2GB and Jones.

Financial services provider Challenger and Lexus Parramatta this morning joined Freedom Furniture in pulling advertising, saying the company does not support Jones's comments.

Mercedes-Benz too has instructed its dealers to cease any form of advertising on Jones's show.

"Our company does not condone such inappropriate comments," the carmaker said in a statement.

Supermarket giant Woolworths says while it is not a sponsor, it will suspend its periodic advertising during the program.

Sponsors walk away from under-fire Jones:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-01/sponsors-walk-away-from-under-fire-jones/4288740
hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 12:21 am
@msolga,
Malcolm Farr has an interesting piece on the decline of jones, though he suggests whatever political jones ever had was a chimera

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/put-your-hand-up-if-youre-an-offensive-bastard/
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 02:16 am
The winds of change ....
Thuggery & bullying is definitely on the nose with the electorate.
Watching all of this unfold so dramatically yesterday & today, I just keep thinking that it's only a matter of time before Turnbull takes over from Abbott as Liberal leader. Sooner rather than later, I think.
hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 08:04 am
@msolga,
Tony is having a shocking run at the moment. It's all part of the dirty tricks campaign of remembering what he says a nd what he does,


This from twitter

https://p.twimg.com/A4F1acGCYAAOtiU.jpg

Abbott: "Watch what you're doing with that hand, Alan."
Jones: "Sorry Tony, can't find the bloody string."
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 04:14 pm
@hingehead,
<snort>


Quote:
Tony is having a shocking run at the moment. It's all part of the dirty tricks campaign of remembering what he says and what he does,


http://images.theage.com.au/2012/10/01/3678699/MOR-petty-two-20121001101814963149-620x0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 04:19 pm
He could be onto something here! Wink

Quote:
"The hatred towards me, I’ve long learned, stems from the views I express.

Jones rails against 'jealous' media:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/jones-rails-against-jealous-media-20121002-26w0y.html?rand=6486241

Advertisers flee as public slams Jones' remark:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/advertisers-flee-as-public-slams-jones-remark-20121001-26vm2.html

http://images.theage.com.au/2012/10/01/3680023/spoonerLW-620x349.jpg
Shock for the shock jock:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/shock-for-the-shock-jock-20121001-26vgp.html


msolga
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 04:20 pm
@msolga,
http://images.theage.com.au/2012/10/01/3679917/gal-land-678158135-600x400.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2012 04:11 pm
Surprised
Was that Les Patterson I saw on the 7:30 Report last night?
I thought he'd "passed away".
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2012 06:29 pm
@msolga,
True? will have to iview it.

I can't help feeling all the attention given to Alan Jones is feeding the troll.
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2012 12:02 am
@hingehead,
You may be right about that, hinge, I couldn't say for sure ...
The extreme reaction on social media (& mainstream media, too), could be seen as being about just that one "dying of shame" comment.
But I doubt it.

Perhaps it is more about a mass expression of revulsion to ongoing hate broadcasting, not just by Jones, but by others of his ilk, too?
Which might well include "respectable" political commentators who have bought into the irrational & over-the-top hate expressions against Julia Gillard by given them credence, too? (I could give you quite a few examples. Including in the Fairfax press. )
And which might also include the politicians who have (oh so innocently!) benefited from lunatic fringe commentators like Jones.

My most positive reaction to all this is outpouring of disgust is that ordinary people have finally had an opportunity, some focal point, for saying "enough is enough. This type of commentary disgusts us. And does not influence us."

What happens from here-on is anyone's guess.
Jones might continue broadcasting & his advertisers might return to him in droves.
Who knows?
BUT, I think that anything that destroys the deluded view that he is some sort of major influence on Australian politics has got to be a good thing.
He isn't. His "fans" are a minority who hold the same views as he does.
Once the broader Oz political media "analysts" get this, they might cease paying any attention to the fringe cranks like Jones & we might actually get some real political commentary, for a bit of a change!
Now wouldn't that be something?
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 5 Oct, 2012 12:40 am
Olgs - Greg Jericho (aka Grog's Gamut) has just posted a cool piece on how Tony Abbott agrees with your assessment of his leadership tenure.

Great read: http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/abbott-shows-everyone-hes-worried.html
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 5 Oct, 2012 05:12 am
@hingehead,
http://lh5.ggpht.com/-pu4Pf6AH2L8/UG5lZPL-u-I/AAAAAAAAFaI/LI3So36K05I/Hun_thumb%25255B2%25255D.png?imgmax=800

That's pretty amazing, hinge.
Front page spreads in three of Rupert's papers! Maybe more, for all we know!
I think women will change their minds about him now. Razz


Meanwhile, this was published in yesterday's Fairfax papers:

Quote:
Tony Abbott's chances of leading the Coalition to the federal election next year have ''diminished quite rapidly'', according to key independent MP Tony Windsor.

Abbott has '50-50' chance of leading Coalition to election: Windsor:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-has-5050-chance-of-leading-coalition-to-election-windsor-20121004-270ml.html#poll

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