@hingehead,
Hi there hinge
Yeah, I know ... pretty dismal stuff.
Quote:Glad your still posting oz pol cartoons. Marieke Hardy tweeted that Victoria was happy to take Queenslanders escaping from a 'fascist' govt - I'm not sure Baillieu is that much better than Newman. Hitler v Mussolini was my comment.
Ha.
You're not far from wrong there!
In fact the Victorian Libs might even be worse than their Queensland counterparts (not that they've had sufficient time in power to get into full swing yet!) ... I can't bring myself to go into all the details, too depressing, just trust me on this. Let's just say that the Nationals appear to be running the state a lot of the time. Sigh.
On the credit side, Baillieu won the last Victorian election by a very slim majority & his government is thoroughly on the nose with many Victorians now ... so with a bit of luck (& some common sense from Victorian Labor!) it may just end up being a one term government. Seriously.
Fingers crossed!
Quote:I'm at a loss about the ALP burning bridges re the greens. ...
I'm hoping the bridges aren't totally burned.
The attacks appear to be coming from the right of the ALP ... largely from NSW. (No surprises there.)
The attacks on the Greens started while you were away. (I don't know how much you followed Oz politics at the time. Wouldn't blame you at all if you blocked it all out!
) ... after the "Oakeshott debate" on aslym seekers, following more deaths at sea.
The Greens were widely perceived (in the media & quite a few in the ALP) as being "too intransigent", too "pure", too inflexible on
insisting on onshore processing as the
only acceptable option, when Labor & quite a few independents were looking for a workable compromise to break the deadlock between Labor & the Liberals on the issue. Anyway, to cut a long, harrowing story short, the independents/Labor won the debate in the lower house, but were defeated in the Senate ... because the Greens voted with the LNP. Which meant that the imperfect compromise resolution was lost (it was never going to be perfect, but is a perfect position
possible in Oz right now?) .... anyway, as a result, Abbott has continued on from exactly from where he left off before . The intense pressure on him to compromise at the time was lost. Stalemate again.
It was all pretty harrowing at the time , I can tell you!
Quote:...I can understand their trepidation with the LNP chewing at their right wing numbers, and the left wing shifting to the greens, but if they say your with us or agin us, I'll stop voting ALP in reps and Green in the Senate, and just vote Green.
Why does it seem they never get the tenor of anything right any more?
Sigh.
Because, as a minority government, which has been under extremely intense pressure from the start, they've become way too pragmatic in trying to appeal to the voters? And have ended up not standing for anything like what Labor should stand for?
And, with the next election looming, too much internal fighting about what's the best way to go from here?
My thinking is that Labor's best bet is to stand up for the policies & values it actually
believes in for the rest of its term, in a UNITED way ..... & focus on exposing what Abbott's policies actually
mean for ordinary people. I don't know that this would win Labor the next election, but it would give them a lot more credibility with the voters.
It's futile to blame the Greens for its current woes, at this point Labor's best bet is to come out fighting as hard as it can for it's own policies ... which are streets ahead of the wishy-washy, unfunded LNP alternative.
They will be letting us all down if they don't. The alternative is unthinkable.
Sorry this has been such a long response, hinge.
I just want them to get their bloody act together!
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