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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2012 06:25 pm
@hingehead,
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All true Olgs. Just listening to Bruce Hawker say that nearly 1 in 2 liberal voters prefer Rudd. Um Brucie - take your spin head off. a) it doesn't mean they'll vote labor and, b) That means just over 1 in 2 would rather he wasn't the leader.

Ha.
Indeed.
Good point.

Who the heck is Bruce Hawker, anyway?
I'd not laid eyes on him prior to this "people power" campaign.

Re the ABC's analysis ... I've read some of the most enlightening commentary on the media's role in Rudd's campaign on the ABC site. Barrie Cassidy's & Bruce Gawenda's (former Age editor - article above, some posts back.)
As for the AGE ... very disappointing. Makes me wonder if Gina is having some influence already .......
But as for commentary on the current "spill" situation .... it's all just blow-by-blow "developments"at the ABC , not too much else.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2012 06:42 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

Why does Australian politics seem like a spectator sport?


Indeed. It seems that I was trying to follow things in Aus a mere year or so ago.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2012 06:46 pm
@realjohnboy,
Personally, I think the Oz public have confused Oz politics with Big Brother .... with more than a little help from our compliant media.

G'day there, RJB!
Good to see you. Smile
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2012 06:55 pm
@msolga,
Bruce Hawker - political hack/strategist who has donated his services to the Rudd campaign, gets a lot of air time on ABC24.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2012 06:58 pm
@hingehead,
Thanks, hinge.
That figures. Smile


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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2012 07:11 pm
@msolga,
Gillard camp is going to regret personal abuse of Rudd....I get their frustration, but it's all gist to the Abbott mill...also Rudd gets to look as though he's fighting from the moral high ground! Ptooey.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2012 07:17 pm
This article is for the benefit of any o/s A2K folk who may be having a spot of bother following the latest developments in Canberra ....

I found it, oddly enough, on a site I'd never heard of before, to read Jessica Rudd's "people power" pitch for her father, you know who. The article was mentioned (with link) in an ABC article yesterday .... very interesting, including some of the responses from readers. (Sometimes these things can backfire on one! Wink )

Anyway, anyway .....

For the benefit of RJB & others, this is a reasonable explanation of what is to occur at 10 am this coming Monday. A tiny bit out of date (he's now back in Oz, has officially declared he'll stand for the position) but basically the rest of the details are accurate .... though I have my doubts about the very last sentence in the quoted summary.:

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So… what exactly is a spill?
Lauren Dubois Thursday 23 February 2012 10:00am

http://static.mamamia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/art-gillardrudd-420x0-380x509.jpg

We’re all talking about it, but what exactly happens at a leadership spill?

At 10am on Monday morning, Julia Gillard will call a ‘spill’ or a ‘leadership ballot’ at a special caucus meeting.

All 103 members of the Labor caucus – all Federal Labor MPs and Senators will decide at that meeting if they should take a vote on who should lead the party.

At the spill, Julia Gillard will step aside from the PM position leaving it open to anyone who wants to put his or her hand up for the role. She’s already indicated that she will be re-contesting for the role.

Anyone can nominate. But this spill has been called for one person only. Mr Kevin Rudd. Kevin 07. Kevin 747. Ex-Prime Minister of Australia. Ex-Foreign Minister of Australia. Ex-Happy Little Vegemite.

He wants the job, and Julia Gillard is forcing him to finally fight for it. Put up or shut up.

To win, he’ll need 52 out of the 103 votes. It’s looking extremely unlikely that he’ll get that many votes. In 2010 he didn’t even contest the spill because he knew he wouldn’t win.

But when he lands in Australia tomorrow, he’ll hit the phones like a telemarketer working on commission. “Hello sir, are you happy with your current Prime Minister?”

Cabinet members have been pretty public in their vicious condemnation of Kevin Rudd, so if he was successful; he’d need a whole new front bench. Don’t underestimate the desire of some of those backbenchers to get a seat at the Cabinet table. His offer of a cushy portfolio could be enough to turn the staunchest Gillard supporter.


http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/the-spill-explained-kevin-rudd-and-julia-gillard/

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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2012 07:20 pm
Albo informs the media of his support of Rudd.

After thinking, consulting, deciding, telling Julia, telling swanny, telling Rudd - all in that order.

Honourable.
hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2012 07:26 pm
Do you think that the #respill will actually turn ALP around in the polls? I've never heard such a constant stream of affirmation of their achievements since 2007 in the media.

And no Tony.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2012 09:08 pm
@hingehead,
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Do you think that the #respill will actually turn ALP around in the polls? I've never heard such a constant stream of affirmation of their achievements since 2007 in the media.

Assuming Gillard retains the prime minister-ship .....

I think it will take a bit of time for the dust to settle in the Labor government & party. And for a bit the media will not know what to do with itself. ("We was robbed" Rudd articles? Maybe. But believe it or not, I believe the public could actually tire of the same old, same old & might actually become bored with it. Seriously)

As to the Labor government .... it will have to seriously lift its game, particularly in communicating its achievements & the benefits of its policy achievements to the electorate. Labor needs to seriously improve its communication skills. Bring in the communications experts to teach them how! Wink

It is astonishing to me that Labor has not been able to capitalize more on its economic achievements during the GFC. As that British Tory politician said on Q&A on Monday night .... if only Britain had Australia's economic problems!

Apart from that, the benefits of Labors tax reforms for lower income earners have not been capitalized on, either. Say nothing of what would happen to those reforms & benefits under a LNP government. I think ordinary people have not gotten messages like this & yes, if they do finally get the message, I'm optimistic it will influence their vote.

I think the "carbon tax issue" has been handled less than wonderfully by Labor, too. Abbott & co are really hoping for an early election to overturn Labor policy before it actually happens, in July, I think?

And yes, a real education debate has to be had. Properly. None of this "politics of envy" stuff dominating the public agenda. The current proposed reforms are so much more important than Rudd's so-called "education revolution" (don't start me on that! You'll be sorry! Wink )

But, in answer to your question, if Labor unifies behind their leader & Labor's policies following Monday's stoush, I will by no means be writing off Labor's prospects in a future election. Certainly not at this point. If ever there was a time to rally & unify behind Labor (the alternatives are so horrific to Labor/Greens supporters, we all know that .....say nothing of ordinary, not remotely wealthy Australians) it is now. It is time to relegate the destructive nonsense to the dust heap, where it belongs.

One last word on Julia Gillard & leadership.
Assuming she remains her job as prime minister after Monday, she will have endorsement of her parliamentary colleagues (as opposed to the blessing of the "faceless men" of 2010 & all the negative fall-out from that ..) & no doubt this will give her a boost within the Labor Party. She will be vindicated as the legitimate Labor leader, endorsed by legitimate Labor processes.

She & her team will then have something like 17 months to sell Labor's message to the electorate.
And I'm certain she will continue to work as hard as she has to date on Labor policy achievements.
Once & for all she should forget all about about "popularity" with the electorate . She may never be "popular". Her strengths are that as she is tough & determined & retains her focus despite incredible pressure.
My advice (if she asked Wink ) would be to be her real self. (no more "which is the real Julia?" nonsense)
Forget about worrying about public perceptions. She is clearly as tough as any successful male politician. And be judged on her achievements, nothing else. It is more important to have the electorates respect as a leader than anything else.
In other words, be the Julia Gillard we've seem fielding journalists questions this week. Too bad if Australians are unused to seeing a woman behave like a competent political leader!
People forget that as deputy to Rudd she virtually ran the government while he was constantly conferencing overseas. How many portfolios did she hold down at the time?

Anyway, hinge, see what happens when you ask a simple question? Wink
I start writing & can't stop!

Please don't let me give you the impression that I believe all will be hunky dory after Monday. I don't believe that for a minute. It is going to be a very, very tough 17 months ahead, regaining lost ground. Winning back Labor's heartland after the destructiveness of this Rudd diversion. Exposing the Lib's policies (?) for what they are & what a Liberal government will actually mean in government. They have had a very easy ride in the media while everyone has been distracted by Team Rudd's antics.

So (finally! Smile ) I am definitely not writing off Labor, definitely not at this stage. You might think I'm some sort of eternal optimist, but this is genuinely what I believe. We will just have to see what happens from here ...

And now .... can I redirect your question back to you, hinge?

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Do you think that the #respill will actually turn ALP around in the polls?


Very interested in your (& others) thoughts.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2012 11:31 pm
@msolga,
olgs wrote:
hinge wrote:
Do you think that the #respill will actually turn ALP around in the polls?



Very interested in your (& others) thoughts.
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Anything is possible - depends very much on how every(wo)man wants to buy into the soap opera.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2012 11:50 pm
@hingehead,
Pardon?

Confused

What are you actually saying, hinge?

I didn't think I was commenting on any "soap opera".
I was responding to your question.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 12:09 am
@msolga,
... then I asked you to respond to the same question I responded to.

Fair enough?
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 03:02 am
@hingehead,

Anthony Albanese declares hand for Rudd:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-25/anthony-albanese-to-vote-for-rudd/3852596

He was on the list of likely pro-Rudd supporters published in the AGE yesterday.

Why has it taken so many of Rudd's supporters so long to declare their loyalties?
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 03:31 am
@msolga,
Hi Olgs You're confusing me. I was just thinking maybe this was the most media coverage the ALP achievements were getting since 2007 and that just possibly it might have a positive effect on public perceptions. I freely acknowledge that I am nothing like Joe Public so my thoughts are virtually meaningless in the national context.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 05:42 am
@hingehead,
We (or I) seem to having gotten some wires crossed, hinge.
I didn't understand what you meant (re soap operas). Not to worry.
I'm sorry to have confused you.
And I completely disagree that your thoughts are meaningless in the national context.....
I'm not at all sure what the broad public perceptions might be, either.
For starters, I can't understand the appeal of Kevin Rudd at all ... which makes public perception kinda hard to gauge.


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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 07:41 pm
This is all getting to be too much!

Time to banish Insiders, turf out the Sunday Age, switch from local ABC radio to one of those insipid golden oldie stations .... & forget about it all till tomorrow morning.

There is a funny side to all this ya know!:

msolga
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2012 07:51 pm
@msolga,
A musical finale for the 2010 Q&A season saw a group of singing Prime Ministers - Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd, Paul Keating and Bob Hawke, take to the Q&A stage to reminisce about the past.:

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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 26 Feb, 2012 07:33 pm
Live blog: Labor leadership February 27
Updated February 27, 2012 12:22:07
ABC News online


Julia Gillard has beaten her predecessor Kevin Rudd in a ballot for the federal Labor leadership, by a margin of 71 votes to 31

Quote:
Key developments

* Julia Gillard (71) defeats Kevin Rudd (31)

* Caucus returning officer Chris Hayes says Rudd vowed to work for unified Labor team

*Gillard spoke about what was needed to win next election, Hayes says

*Rudd press conference scheduled for 12.30pm AEDT


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-27/live-blog-monday/3853898
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 26 Feb, 2012 07:59 pm
@msolga,
Just watched Kevin Rudd's press conference.
Interesting, the focus on foreign affairs.
It sounded to me like he might be hoping to move on to a UN or ambassadorial position.
 

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