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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2010 05:40 am
@jeeprs,
Pardon me, jeeprs. Starting a conversation then abruptly vanishing. (I had a visitor.)

Julia & East Timor ...

I thought the suddenness of the "Timor Solution" announcement (after calling for an open public debate on the issue of asylum seekers, a mere two days before) might have had something to do with the fierceness of the response from the liberal (small "l") side of politics. To limit the adverse fall-out for Labor ...


Anyway, it doesn't appear to have done labor too much harm in the polls. From one of two polls (both with very similar findings) published today:

Quote:
LABOR has lost some of the ''bounce'' it got from Julia Gillard's ascension but would hold power with a reduced majority and a two-party vote of 52-48 per cent, according to the Age/Nielsen poll.

As speculation mounts on the election date, the poll shows an election now would see a swing of 0.7 per cent against the government on 2007.

The two-party Labor vote has fallen 3 points since the Age poll taken immediately after Ms Gillard became prime minister. But importantly, Labor's primary vote is on 39 per cent, from which the government can win. This is down 8 points from the 47 per cent spike when Ms Gillard became PM, but up from the low of 33 per cent in June under Kevin Rudd. In two-party terms, Labor trailed 47-53 under the last Rudd poll.


Not surprisingly, since the East Timor announcement:

Quote:
The poll has seen Green voters who went to Ms Gillard swing back again - the Greens rose from 8 to 13 per cent.


However, the Liberals haven't gained any ground:

Quote:
The Coalition's primary vote is 42 per cent - the same as when Ms Gillard took over and the same as at the 2007 election.

Ms Gillard has a decisive 56-35 per cent lead over Tony Abbott as preferred prime minister, slightly better than in her first poll as PM.


The changed asylum seeker policy appears to have gained the approval of conservative voters, benefiting Labor.:

Quote:
When people were then asked which of the three parties had the best asylum seeker policy, the Coalition led on 34 per cent (down 1 point from last month). But in a sign the government seems to be gaining on the issue, the ALP has improved from 19 per cent to 25 per cent, with the Greens on 20 per cent.


And:


Quote:
Most people - 64 per cent, up 11 points - expect a Labor election win.


So, despite the blunders, the changed ALP asylum seekers policy appears to have paid off.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/labor-hangs-on-despite-poll-slip-20100711-105m1.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2010 06:06 am
The findings of another poll, released today. This time from the Australian Conservation Foundation, suggesting that quite a number of those voters swinging from Labor to the Greens, then back again, could return to Labor if it had a viable climate change policy.

I understand that Labor's policy on climate change will be announced later this week.

And it's sounding very much like Julia will be announcing the election date late in the week, most likely on Friday, according to media speculation.

So let's see if Labor's climate change position makes any difference to the voting intentions of the (left) swinging voters.:


Quote:
Labor urged to 'pick sides' on climate change
Updated Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:12am AEST

A new survey of voters suggests Australians still want action on climate change.

The Australian Conservation Foundation (ACF) commissioned an Auspoll survey of 1,500 voters.

It found more than half of swinging voters think there is no difference between Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott when it comes to trusting them to deliver on climate change.

The poll also found 45 per cent of swinging voters would vote for Labor if Ms Gillard committed to deliver a pollution reduction scheme within the next 12 months. ...<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/12/2950568.htm
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2010 07:54 am
@msolga,
http://images.theage.com.au/2010/07/12/1687946/petty12cod-620x0.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jul, 2010 01:21 am
@msolga,
This made me laugh.
It is so spot on.
I mean, if you don't laugh you might cry, as the saying goes ...
There they go, the two leaders of the 2 main Oz political parties .. what ever it takes, what ever it takes to win......



http://images.theage.com.au/2010/07/13/1690501/moircod-620x0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jul, 2010 02:06 am
@msolga,
Quote:
That's it for the East Timor Solution then ...

But hang on!
Maybe it's not quite it yet! There's still more to go on the "Timor Solution", according to foreign affairs minister, Stephen Smith:


Quote:
On Monday, East Timor's parliament passed a resolution rejecting Australia's proposal to establish a centre for asylum seekers there.

While the resolution was passed unanimously, only 34 of the 65 members of parliament were there for the vote.

Foreign Affairs Minister Stephen Smith says the rejection should not be over-interpreted and discussions between the two countries are continuing.


"Unlike the Australian Parliament, East Timorese ministers do not sit in East Timorese parliament so this is a reflection on those members of the East Timorese parliament at the time and not the government's response," he said.

"The government of East Timor's response remains as it has been over the last few days."

But Mr Smith acknowledged that he expects the resolution to be one factor the government considers.


"I'm sure as would naturally occur, the East Timorese government will take the views of political parties and the political process and the parliament in East Timor into account when it comes to make final decisions," he said.

"But we are very much at a beginning of the process not at the end of the process."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/13/2951683.htm

As inconvenient as the East Timor rejection of Labor's asylum seeker proposal might be, this decision is rightfully East Timor's alone to make.
How utterly inappropriate for Stephen Smith to be making comments like this, for the convenience of the Labor government's re-election prospects! A little respect, please!


And, speaking of respect, we should all start calling East Timor by it's proper, post independence name: Timor-Leste. The Democratic Republic of Timor-Leste, Mr Smith!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Timor
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jul, 2010 02:20 am
If all else fails, try bribery.
What ever it takes ...:


Quote:
Julia Gillard's special health deal for the west
The Australian
July 13, 2010 12:00AM


JULIA Gillard will offer Western Australia a special deal to win Liberal Premier Colin Barnett's backing for Kevin Rudd's $50bn health reform plan.

The Prime Minister is offering to free the state from having to sign over a third of its GST revenue.

Late on Friday, the Prime Minister put a compromise deal to Mr Barnett to end the standoff with the state Liberal government that threatens the national health plan.

While all of the other states and territories - all of which have Labor governments - would have to hand over one-third of their GST funding, Western Australia would surrender a smaller share to the federal government. The rest would be put into a separate fund to be spent on health, but would still be controlled by Western Australia. ...<cont>


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/julia-gillards-special-health-deal-for-the-west/story-e6frgczf-1225890964082
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jul, 2010 03:59 pm
@msolga,
Bring on the bogan-proof fence Mr Gruen
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2010 12:36 am
@hingehead,
Go to Bogan Proof Fence. (Third down on the left.)

I think you might have to be Australian to understand all this! Wink


Quote:
Bogan proof fence
(ABC TV - The Gruen Transfer)

Six states is one too many. What if WA became its own country?

http://www.abc.net.au/common/images/tgt_boganproof125.jpg


http://www.abc.net.au/bestof/archive/20100701.htm
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Eorl
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 08:17 pm
Looks like the election will be called tomorrow, for August 28?

Who's game to call the result today?

I'll say Labor by a poofteenth.
hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 08:19 pm
@Eorl,
I'd say you're right, but maybe two poofteenths - I think come election day people who gave Tony the thumbs up in polls will have a reality check.

What I think would be a more interesting bet is whether the greens pick up senate seats and get the balance of power.
Eorl
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2010 08:38 pm
@hingehead,
I think the greens were on a roll with a choice between Hitler and Mussolini, but now, I suspect the abandoned left is back.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2010 12:51 am
@Eorl,
Not exactly, Eorl.
According to 2 polls (on Monday) those disillusioned lefties, who had returned to the ALP fold, defected back to the Greens again. The Greens prospects are currently looking pretty healthy. Up from 8% (after the initial swing back to the ALP) to 13% after the swing back. Most likely as a result of Labor's changed position on asylum seekers.:

http://www.theage.com.au/national/labor-hangs-on-despite-poll-slip-20100711-105m1.html

Unless Labor produces a credible climate change policy (very quickly!) I'd suspect those disaffected lefties might stay with the Greens & give them the balance of power in the senate. Say nothing of the the first seat in the house of representatives, in Lindsay Tanner's seat in Melbourne. A distinct possibility.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2010 01:56 am
It's been a rather unsatisfying week in Oz politics. The "highlights" aren't exactly inspiring.

We had Blanche & Bob (Hawke) talking (at length!) to Kerry O'Brien on the 7:30 Report about Blanche's new book. A bit of re-writing of the Hawke family history in the process. (Pretty tacky, Blanche.) And it reignited the feud between Hawke & Keating. I mean, who cares at this stage? Rolling Eyes

Then we had Julia reaffirming our commitment to ongoing the war in Afghanistan, after yet another Australian soldier's death. Our participation in the war in Afghanistan must go on to keep us all safe against terrorism in Oz. (Oh Julia, I can't believe you actually said this! I don't believe for a minute this is actually what you think! Sad )

Then we had Julia's first major press conference up-staged by Laurie Oaks (longtime, firmly established political commentator). About the details of Labor's dumping of Kevin Rudd.:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/did-rudd-try-to-cut-a-deal-gillard-zipped-20100715-10c3o.html

We had the story about how much Labor's buying the peace with the huge mining companies has cost the taxpayer. Seven and a half billion dollars (!) in lost revenue!:

http://www.theage.com.au/business/mining-tax-backflip-to-cost-billions-20100714-10b4p.html

Then we had the story of (foreign affairs minister) Stephen Smith's visit to Jakarta, to persuade Indonesia of the wisdom of Timor-Leste (East Timor ) as the site of Australia's off-shore asylum seekers processing centre. He was turned down by Jakarta. (Why they hell was he talking to Jarkarta & not Timor-Leste, anyway?)

http://www.theage.com.au/national/no-jakarta-backing-for-timor-plan-20100715-10cpl.html

And there has been more, but I haven't the heart to go on.
The tragedy is that the the Liberal opposition is even a worse option than Labor.

Sigh.






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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2010 02:29 am
The latest tip for the election date.

(Bring on legislation for fixed terms of government, I say!) :


Quote:
Gillard tipped to call election tomorrow
Updated 2 hours 6 minutes ago

Prime Minister Julia Gillard is likely to visit Governor General Quentin Bryce tomorrow to set an August 28 election date, the ABC understands. ..<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/16/2955610.htm
Eorl
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2010 03:17 am
@msolga,
see six posts above!
Eorl
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2010 03:18 am
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

Not exactly, Eorl.
According to 2 polls (on Monday) those disillusioned lefties, who had returned to the ALP fold, defected back to the Greens again.
....

I'd suspect those disaffected lefties might stay with the Greens & give them the balance of power in the senate.


I'll take that over Family First any day. Every day. Today. Please.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2010 03:19 am
@Eorl,
I went six posts above, Eorl.

What have I missed? Smile
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2010 03:24 am
@Eorl,
Well you know you don't have any argument with me, Eorl. Best possible outcome (though I wish the policies could be better!) : Labor in office/Greens with the balance of power in the upper house.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2010 03:50 am
Video: Last night's Clarke & Dawe from The 7:30 Report:

Quote:

'Honeymoon de Julia'
Source: ABC News
Published: Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:17 AEST
Expires: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:17 AEST

Politics and sport collide as Clarke and Dawe give their take on the Tour de France


http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/07/15/2955069.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2010 05:14 am
Interesting poll going on in the Fairfax Press (Age/SMH) at the moment (following the Laurie Oaks question to Gillard at her press conference).:

Quote:
Poll: Did Julia Gillard go back on a deal with then-Prime Minister Kevin Rudd to not immediately challenge for the Labor leadership?

No: 4%

Yes: 64%

I don't care: 33%

Total votes: 9599.

Poll closes in 3 days.


http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/economic-outing-turns-to-grilling-on-dark-night-20100715-10cpk.html#poll

May I ask any interested Oz A2Kers how you would respond to this question?:

Are you at all concerned about how Rudd was removed from the Labor government leadership? (It's interesting that (so far) 33% of those responding to the poll don't care if Gillard reneged on a deal with him or not.)
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