Please Don't Feed our Bums

judging from afar will likely cause you grief one day.

good luck...

I have made that perfectly clear over and over. My argument is against generalized derogation of a social class that already suffers enough of it.

I don't see you as having forwarded any particular argument at all here Cyclo

You've just added hyperbolic disdain for bums

and I object to some of the scathing excoriations of "bums" which you define for yourself as the "bad" bums (you know, the behavior ones!) ignoring its much more general meaning deliberately.

In your opinion, it is too broad. However, that is simply your opinion, and I do not share it - and I'm not wrong for not sharing it in any way, either.

It's not an obvious generalization. But I can see how your argument relies on the assertion that it is.

Good eye, but unless you are into the "is not", "is too" portion of online "debate" there is nothing much more left to do than agree to disagree then.

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and I object to some of the scathing excoriations of "bums" which you define for yourself as the "bad" bums (you know, the behavior ones!) ignoring its much more general meaning deliberately.

It doesn't have a much more generalized meaning. The word you are thinking of is 'homeless.'

bum (plural bums)
(North America, colloquial) A hobo; a homeless person, usually a man.
(North America, Australian, colloquial) A lazy, incompetent, or annoying person, usually a man.
Fred is becoming a bum - he's not even bothering to work more than once a month.
That mechanic's a bum - he couldn't fix a yo-yo.
That guy keeps interrupting the concert. Throw the bum out!
(North America, Australian, colloquial, sports) A player, usually a man, who often or usually plays poorly.
Trade him to another team, he's a bum!
(colloquial) A drinking spree.

Fine with me. However, I must tell you that your argument to this date has been utterly unconvincing, and not just to me - do you see anyone agreeing with you, who hadn't to begin with?

No, because "our" implies ownership. It should be assumed that the community is aware of the problem, has taken ownership of the problem, and that charity handouts on an individual basis disrupts the program to get them to help themselves towards a better life.

bum 1 (bm)
n.
1. A tramp; a vagrant.
2. A lazy or shiftless person, especially one who seeks to live solely by the support of others.
3. An incompetent, insignificant, or obnoxious person.
4. One who is devoted to a particular activity or milieu: a beach bum.

hawkeye10 wrote:

No, because "our" implies ownership. It should be assumed that the community is aware of the problem, has taken ownership of the problem, and that charity handouts on an individual basis disrupts the program to get them to help themselves towards a better life.

Why would we assume that the community has "taken ownership of the problem"? What "program" is being disrupted by charity handouts? A "program" of not having a program is not a program...unless the program is just selling these derogatory stickers. Which, I'd guess, would just make the group of "asshole bums" even more pissed off and more willing to harass and intimidate people. Yea, what a great idea.

1. A tramp; a vagrant.

Funny, you act as if the State of CA doesn't have some of the most extensive social services for dealing with homeless problems in the nation. That is the 'program' that is being referred to.

I don't care if someone is homeless or not, an asshole is an asshole.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Funny, you act as if the State of CA doesn't have some of the most extensive social services for dealing with homeless problems in the nation. That is the 'program' that is being referred to.

I don't care if someone is homeless or not, an asshole is an asshole.

He mentioned the community's program, not the State's. Comprehending what you read much?

I never claimed that there aren't asshole homeless people, or that we shouldn't call assholes assholes. I might understand why they are assholes, but it doesn't make them non-assholes. This stuff is all trivial. Is there some greater point you're trying to get across here?

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I want to yell at people all the time, but I don't.

I, in turn, want to never let you live this statement down. Tell us more Cyclo.

The word 'homeless' doesn't even appear as a definition on the page I linked to.

Yaknow what? Like I said earlier, you have a stick up your ass on this issue and are just looking to argue endlessly about it.

It is getting pretty boring. You're not tolerant of other people's opinions on this issue, even though none of us do anything at all to actively harm these people's lives.

You can think whatever the **** you want about me and my opinions. But I must inform you that your arguments are not convincing and they certainly are not helpful to the cause.

I believe you have too much personal emotional involvement in this issue to discuss it dispassionately, and you are internalizing some of the things that people say. It is affecting the quality of your argumentation, and you ought to review it.

This is not correct, it does. Use control-f if you are having a hard time finding it.

(you come across as foaming at the mouth to me a lot of the time).

Cycloptichorn wrote:

The word 'homeless' doesn't even appear as a definition on the page I linked to.

This is not correct, it does. Use control-f if you are having a hard time finding it. Edit: but yes, you are correct that you did not cut off vagrant or tramp.