failures art wrote:
Also, we don't do negative proofs. Atheists have no imperative to disprove what has never been proven. Similarly, if I claimed Napoleon was a red head, it wouldn't be your job to prove he wasn't. The claim belongs to me, and the burden falls on me to support my claims. Now, if I don't put any effort into supporting that he had red hair, does that mean a controversy exists? How is it intellectually superior to assume the agnostic middle ground (metaphorically) that we simply don't know? It is a false stalemate.
Normally Id discuss a bit here, but I tend to relativize eveything into uselessness...
For example, except for "I think therefore i am" and etc, we can never know anything 100%. But still we say that we know things. Where should the boundary be between knowing and not knowing, that is, how much certainty must you have of something to say that you know it?
I mean, for example, we know that the chances of any religion being correct are very, very small. So we (atheists and agnostics) usually simply say that we know that all religions are wrong. But oftenly this "we know" is contested, since we arent 100% sure.
I feel as though discussions regarding god are ultimately held back by language. We dont have enough words to represent these matters, and the words we do have arent well-defined enough.
failures art wrote:
I'm not willing to commit to saying that they don't exist.
The next time I gain god-like powers, I will be sure to create the Flying Spaghetti Monster and command it to go to the 21 century Vatican just for the sake of it =)
reasoning logic wrote:
Very good now you need to become a preacher and get the church to understand this and if you are able to, we will see a advancement in mankind that puts the computer advancements to shame. lol
If god took his holy pencil of flames and wrote "CHRISTIANISM IS FUC**** WRONG" in the sky, the church would say it was the devil and keep on believing =)
No, really, thats how faith is. That is why trying to "convert" people away from religiousness is so frustrating.