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Loyal Emotion

 
 
Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 11:58 am
I was walking back from my Ti Chi group toady and saw a man with his dog beside him.
The dog had no lead.
As the man and dog crossed the road the dog looked back and up at his friend, a rather rotund messy looking man, as if to check up that the human counterpart had made it safely across the river.
It got me to thinking, this man may have no friends in the entire world but for his dog.
And it got me to wondering about Loyalty.

Now at first I wondered what Loyalty is.
What do you think, what is Loyalty?

Then I thought it may possibly be an emotion.
What do you think, is Loyalty an emotion?

And then finally I concluded,
If Loyalty is an emotion, surly dogs are more emotional than humans?

(I wish I did not feel so nervous about not being able to edit this after I post it, so if I add to this particular post or repackage it I don't care, I will say 'Loyal Emotion deluxe' or 'part two', this is how I am going to solve this problem)
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G-Thomson
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 12:04 pm
@sometime sun,
I wouldn't quite say that loyalty is an emotion.
In a dog's case, it could be a built-in instinct of survival. The owner feeds and cares greatly for the dog.
When the dog is good it gets more attention, care and treats.
I have a dog myself, and I care greatly for him, and would like to think that he has some sort of emotion that cares for me, but it could all be a way in which the dog gets an easy life, so to speak.

Although if you bond enough with a dog, it's loyalty could become more potent, as you have integrated with it, not only as an owner, but as a friend.
djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 12:05 pm
hmm, one thing i believe, in it's purest sense loyalty, like love, is an unconditional endeavour, it doesn't need to be reciprocated to be given
sometime sun
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 12:17 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

hmm, one thing i believe, in it's purest sense loyalty, like love, is an unconditional endeavour, it doesn't need to be reciprocated to be given

Unconditional is the emotional part of the endeavour.
Please describe fuller what endeavour is.
Maybe we can dissect it so that endeavour also turns into emotion.
Are you also saying here because it is an endeavour is it a task and that to measure love and loyalty you need to be able to measure the amount of work not emotion that goes into it?
It is the battle they fight not that they do it for the Queen.
Do you see?
sometime sun
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 12:19 pm
@G-Thomson,
So you say loyalty is measured by the profit?
G-Thomson
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 12:26 pm
@sometime sun,
I'd say in an animalistic way, yes. Since we will never likely know what goes on in the brains of animals.
In humans, it could be whittled down to represent an emotion.
But largely I'd say that the profit is the reason people are loyal. If they are loyal to a cause, they feel that this cause would be a benefit to themselves/the world. Thus, I'd say that profit is hidden in all that at the very core.
djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 12:30 pm
@sometime sun,
interesting, i never see the idea of an unconditional love as emotion, more a duty

perhaps that's why i never had the desire to marry or have kids, the duty of having to preform the "unconditional love" for immediate family was more than enough for me (not to say i don't love my family, i just didn't need to try and love any more people)
sometime sun
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 12:51 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

interesting, i never see the idea of an unconditional love as emotion, more a duty

Now you see I rate duty as its very condition conditional.
djjd62 wrote:

perhaps that's why i never had the desire to marry or have kids, the duty of having to preform the "unconditional love" for immediate family was more than enough for me (not to say i don't love my family, i just didn't need to try and love any more people)

Performance I would hazard to say is not unconditional either.
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sometime sun
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 12:53 pm
@G-Thomson,
But is not the emotions an ultimate giving up or over of something for free?
Is not emotion trying to be rid of something surplus?
So one could then also say loyalty is an emotion with a cost or it is price?
G-Thomson
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 12:58 pm
@sometime sun,
I sort of see what you are getting at.
I've heard people say before, "He had a feeling of loyalty."
But I always took that as, "He felt he had to be loyal."

Not feeling as in the emotion sense, but feeling as 'inclusion' or 'duty'.
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mark noble
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 01:22 pm
Hi All,
Loyalty "Protect and preserve to protect and preserve".
Glad to see you threading again Sun.
Shine On.
Mark...
sometime sun
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 01:33 pm
@mark noble,
Yes I see Loyalty more as a profession.
Where does pride come into this?

(Got to keep busy and stolid sweet heart else I may go funky in the solid heat)
djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 01:35 pm
@sometime sun,
sometime sun wrote:
Where does pride come into this?


not sure from whence it cometh, but i understand it goeth before a fall
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mark noble
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 02:19 pm
Hi All,
And before 'destruction' (Book of Proverbs)
Mark...
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mark noble
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 02:24 pm
@sometime sun,
Hi Dearest,
We protect and preserve what we love to protect and preserve ourselves. For that which we love is as ourself... One.

You know that pride destroys, this is not a prideful issue.
Shine On, Always.
Markxxx
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