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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 05:05 am
I have posted this writing in another part of this forum also, but I think it suits this topic best. I plan to be placing many more entries on this forum so your input would be highly appreciated. Thank you.


Antisocial, ignorant, negative, pessimistic, contemptuous, cynical; just a few of the many words you people associate me, and a large part of society with, but have you ever looked over your high nose to see who we really are? You generalize us all into this little disgraceful group in the hope that the reality of what we are telling you will not sink itself into your perfect blindness of our world. You chose to close the door on us and then are so shocked and amazed when one of us stands up and voices our opinion. You spend your lives conforming to the ?'proper', ?'correct' society in the desperate hope that you will be accepted into the walls and bars of the social order which appears to be the greatest, most valuable goal you can strive to. Chances are that even as I am writing this, there are millions of people all around the world putting on the fake smile, cladding their face in make-up to prevent anyone from seeing who they really are in the sheer delusion that those layers make you look better than your true self, all the time conveniently neglecting the fact that all you wonderfully cultured, first world people are spending more money per annum on these cosmetics than could feed innocent children in Albania and Siberia for years.

The planet we inhabit is a beautiful place, and in all truth, no one appreciates this more than the people I am talking about when I refer to us. You all immediately assume that because we have developed such a negative view on the population we endlessly try to escape, we do not appreciate the natural world that surrounds us, , however, it is quite to the contrary, it is us that appreciate and respect this, not just the big picture, but the detail, the smallest aspects of this planet are continually the most beautiful - before we reach mankind. We are this excessively negative because this is what you have done to us; you have forced us beyond your peripheral vision in the hope that we will simply disappear never to return and leave you in this illusion you have all created for yourselves. But have no angst, you can label your filthy conscience clear because we really have nothing against you for this, we actually thank you, we thank you for making us see that you are far from worth out time, our patience, our respect and most of all, our love.

A man who kills another in self-defense is thrown into prison for the remainder of his life while millions of people around the world pay millions each year to witness this death, this pain, this injustice, and then you name it entertainment. You wipe out entire eco-systems which have been in place for thousands of years to build your houses and you kill guiltless, harmless animals and leave them to disappear from the face of the earth - then you call it sport. You meet people in who fall in love with you. They trust you, they respect you and they are there day in day out, just because they care for you, they trust in the idea that you will do the same for them when the time arises and then you neglect at the very last second. You work yourselves into the ground all your life and look back on your deathbed and all you feel worthy to do is apologise to all the people you have hurt. You go over dead bodies to get what you want, not for others, just yourself.

You wonder why we detach ourselves from your world; you question why we are so anti-social, ignorant, disconnected. This is why. It is not because we just don't like people for no reason; we have every reason to separate ourselves from you. We do not hate you; if we were to do that we would be just as low as you. No. We understand your ways, however, after feeling so much hurt, deceit, and insecurity, mistrust and pain, we have lost all respect we once may have had for you. We are shut behind this door, not because you shut us in there to put us away, but because we shut the door on you, because we needed a release from the chains and shackles you would have us in if we were to stay. We are this way because you have hurt us. We are this way because we do not want it to happen again, and our culture grows larger each day. We retreat behind that door where we can protect ourselves from your hell. Some of you refer to us as the outcasts of society, as the dark, ?'mysterious' people you know are there but will never understand because you don't have the will to try and the majority of you don't even care, and it is you that these words are directed at. You say we are quiet and detached, and you are right, we are quiet and detached, because this is the guard we place between you and us in the desperate attempt that it won't happen again. We find refuge and peace in solitude and we hold very few people close to our hearts but those we do, we will die for.

You believe that we hate everything; you believe that this is unhealthy; you believe that we don't deserve to be a part of your society. The trouble is that you have your very first assumption is incorrect. We hate nothing, and although we love very little, those things are worth dying for to us. We cannot change the light under which you view us, and we don't particularly intend to. I do not write this as a grudge I have against you, nor do I write this in spite or anger towards any of you, I write this with the sole intent of showing a few of you the way in which we see you, your ways, and the way you treat us. Science says that what sets human beings a little higher than a monkey swing from tree to tree is our intelligence capabilities, our emotion levels, and our ability to show compassion, affection and love - so what sets you all apart? Negative? Cynical? Pessimistic? No, just Society.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 05:39 am
Who is "us"? What disenfranchised group do you belong to that you're talking about? Right wing, left wing, Moslem, Jew, nudist, anarchist, environmentalist?

Or is your question just rhetorical?
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 06:35 am
Justin Schaller - Welcome to A2K! Very Happy

It seems to me that you are leading with your chin. You make sweeping, highly negativistic statements, and give us little clues as to what you are referring.

People here like to interact with one another. What you have presented here is a treatise on who knows what. I would suggest, that if you REALLY want to have a discussion with people, that you break down your ideas into manageable chunks, and discuss each issue with the members.

A2K is a lot of things, but IMO, is not the place for vague, long winded speeches!
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Wilso
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 06:40 am
Right on Phoenix. I've got absolutely no idea what he's talking about.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2003 06:42 am
Which may well be an accurate description of the author.
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Justin Schaller
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 01:40 am
Ok, sorry for the undistinct post and excessive length of my writing - my point is very clear in my mind and I assumed this would be conveyed with my writing. to answer your questions, there is no us. we are not a defined group of people, rather, we are simply the people that have been brnded as outcasts by the society in which 'normal' people dwell. we are those who have been hurt by various things whether it be relationships, tragic events, of just plain individuality. the individual in our modern society has no place and this id what upsets myself and people like me. we tend to be seen as outcasts because we don't say much or have different, sometimes very simplistic, lives. Yet because of the way in which we are viewed by the masses of society, we are seen as the 'bad guys', the ones to stay away from. We are seen to hate everything and love nothing while we have very little hate whatsoever. I am a Buddhist layman and I find hate in nothing; I do find I dislike many things, however, my choice not to encorperate these things into my life does not constitute any hate whatsoever.
I do apologise for my negativity, I did attempt to explain my reasoning, however, if you have any questions on my writing, please do not hesitate to ask. your input is valued.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 05:54 am
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we are simply the people that have been brnded as outcasts by the society in which 'normal' people dwell. we are those who have been hurt by various things whether it be relationships, tragic events, of just plain individuality


Justin Schaller- You are still being terribly vague. Who are the people to whom you are referring? Why do you think that you have been "branded as outcasts"? What the heck are you attempting to convey?

I am beginning to think that whatever your problem is, it may come from the fact that you apparently have a tremendous difficulty in communicating clearly to other people.

Justin- I am trying to understand. Please really try to make things easier for me, and the rest of the members. Thanks! Smile
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Wilso
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 06:11 am
Glad I'm not the only one still confused.
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Justin Schaller
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 06:20 am
ok, maybe that is so, lol, I don't know, most people find it pretty easy to understand me. I guess body language always helps. look, all I am saying is that, you know the guy that you never knew anything about in high school, the one you just assumed was a nerd because he never said anything to anyone and never saw him around and just assumed he was in the library studying. then 20 years later tis guy finally finds somewhere he fits in and is accepted not as a nerd but as a human being and suddenly everyone knows his name but you and all your perfect friends don't because you never botered to accept him. this is directed at those people. you shut the minority out in the thoughty we will disappear, but we never do and it is people like us that still hold the simple values in life close to our hearts
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Wilso
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 06:23 am
I doubt you'll find many people like that on this particular site. In fact, you're probably likely to find more like yourself.
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Justin Schaller
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 06:26 am
you don't know how good that is to hear =) thanks Wilso. does it make a little more sense now?
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Wilso
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 06:27 am
lets just say, kindred spirits!
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 06:28 am
Justin- People who truly walk to the beat of their own drummer are not all that concerned about being accepted by people who are not like them. Why are you? Also, why are you so critical of others?
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Justin Schaller
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 06:34 am
I understand that, I truly do, but I have lost some of my very closest friends because of the way society generalises people. I guess there just comes a point where you need to find someone who will listen toy your thoughts. sorry. I will stop.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:40 am
Justin- If you don't want to share anything personal, fine. But if you want feedback from people, they need to understand what you are attempting to communicate. You cannot have it both ways.
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Heeven
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:08 am
In this world today too many people let others influence how they feel about themselves.

If I am fat, ugly, untalented, have a shitty personality and lazy - is it really going to make a dent in my psyche if someone who perceives themselves as better than me, tells me so? I don't friggin think so!

In each of us should be self-love, not over-the-top "I'm better than anyone else on this planet" love, but an acceptance of who I am and that I like me. I guess I have been lucky enough to find that, so when anyone else criticises me, I am able to listen, evaluate and judge whether they are full of **** or not. Then I move on. Opinions of others, while interesting to hear, are not what rule my life. It is interaction and learning that I find a positive in my life and I get that here. I don't dwell on the negativity of others - if people piss me off, I stay away from them. I need stress in my life like I need a boil on my bum!
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:33 am
Heeven- Aw, and I always thought that you were kinda cute! Very Happy
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Heeven
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:38 am
Spank you very much. That was all lies by the way, used as an example. Even if it was true, I am absolutely fabulous in my own mind - a babe, a hot tamale, superb, ingenious, need I go on?
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:42 am
And you have the sweetest face, although I WOULD suggest that a bit of dental work would improve your chin line! Laughing
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:54 am
Since a couple of you seem to know what in hell this thread is all about, I would appreciate one of you consolidating the concept into a coherent sentence.

I'd really like to understand also.
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