Gay Marriage & Conflict Resolution

"Under the rules shouldn't we deal with the contradiction in your first statement before we move on to anything else?"

"You have not agreed that 'their preferred method' is NOT allowed when you limit their choices to not include their preferred method. Until you agree with that, you are violating rule 4."

"You have not agreed that 'their preferred method' is NOT allowed..."

"...when you limit their choices to not include their preferred method."

If that means having same-sex marriage receive community recognition/approval, I do agree, despite what you say, that "their preferred method" in that sense is not allowed/accepted. If, on the other hand, "their preferred method" means the ceremony and place for it that the couple selects, "their preferred method" is allowed and I have no personal objection to "their preferred method" in that sense.

I'm lost there. Why should I not "limit their choices" if, as I believe --mistakenly or not-- that homosexuality is a sexual perversion?

Marriage aside and talking about homosexuality itself, it is a sexual perversion because it involves a reproductive drive that is misdirected. It drives the individual to a target that makes the reproductive system non-functional. Homo sapiens, having a sexual reproductive system, each individual member of the species should be driven to a live, postpubescent member of the same species and opposite sex.

1. What fallacy or contradiction does that involve me in?

2. What question is being begged?

"I have already pointed out how this is a faulty premise."

"If targeting someone that makes the reproductive system non functional is sexual perversion then wanting to have sex with a female over 50 would be sexual perversion."

"Your claim of sexual perversion is vague because you only apply it to homosexuality."

"You are affirming that they can use their preferred method at the same time you are limiting what they can do."

"If you really want to know how you are begging the question..
This is your argument although you try to hide it with a premise that no one agrees with.

wrongful sex includes homosexuality
therefor homosexuality is wrongful sex."

But you haven't pointed out what makes it faulty. What is the fallacy or contradiction it involves me in?

First of all, if you're talking about a man, wanting to copulate with a woman over fifty, he is wanting to do so with a live, post-pubescent member of the same species and opposite sex.

No fallacy or contradiction there. Right?

Second, if you're going to add age as a factor, if a man is driven to prefer to copulate with a woman over 50, with her waning physical capabilities, rather than a fully blossomed woman of 20 --all other factors aside from age being the same, of course-- something is wrong with his reproductive drive. Why would he want to do that? Doesn't seem very realistic to me.

Do you see a fallacy or contradiction there?

Despite my attempt in my previous post to make a distinction in the ambiguity of how you're using the term "their preferred method", you seem to be deliberately scrambling the two uses.

Does "their preferred method" refer to:

1. The couple's choice of the place, time, guests and kind of ceremony? Or,

2. The goal of having their ceremony recognized/approved as a part of the cultural institution of marriage by the community?

Another jumble.

Without getting into how you're phrasing that, homosexuality can't be categorized as wrongful sex unless its wrongfulness is determined to be true or false. Until that is done, a therefore is not justified.

What is hidden?

No. I apply it to necrophiles, pedophiles and bestialist, too.

Premise #1: Marriage aside and talking about homosexuality itself, it is a sexual perversion because it involves a reproductive drive that is misdirected. It drives the individual to a target that makes the reproductive system non-functional. Homo sapiens, having a sexual reproductive system, each individual member of the species should be driven to a live, postpubescent member of the same species and opposite sex.

My vote would be to permit homosexuals to marry, which they already can and do, by means of their preferred procedure as long as others aren't obliged to approve of such marriages.

"Either you admit that homosexual sex can't be categorized as wrongful or you don't."

"Answer this question jack.

If there is no assumption that homosexual sex is wrong then how can gay marriage institutional sexual perversion?"

I do admit that homosexual sex can be categorized as wrongful, but, to avoid confusion, my way of exressing "wrongful" is to say that it is a sexual perversion.

"So.. which is it? Pick a letter."

C.

I see no questions or request for information in your post, so I'll take it under advisement.