Goverments Within Literature

Here I ask for your opinions on goverments either repersented in books or created as the fictional goverment theory inside the story.

This is a place where true sharing of philosophies on theoretical goverments should be placed. Please feel free to post whatever you want on the subject. Mainly i am looking for a good argument, so if you can think of something controversial I beg of you to post.

Does history count since that is all fiction???[/QUOTE/]

I just wanna see which goverment in theory would be more superior in your mind. If you use history thats fine by me.

Fido;161541 wrote:

Does history count since that is all fiction???[/QUOTE/]

I just wanna see which goverment in theory would be more superior in your mind. If you use history thats fine by me.

There is only one form of government, and that is democracy... It has its strengths and its weaknesses, but once it goes by the boards, turns into republicanism or something worse, there is little chance of having self government back...It is the greatest advance of ancient society, but entirely necessary and natural, as an outgrowth of the family, and etended family groups... It is defensive as a form of social organization while later forms of rule come from a stage of violence and raiding which brought about inequalities in wealth which ruined political and social equality...When the strong began to rule the wise had to step aside...

Does history count since that is all fiction???

goverments .. repersented .. I beg of you to post.

I understand that this has defied all reasons for creating this post, but i felt like you should hear that. Goverment always fails, and that is one lesson of plausible literature that gives off a good repersentation of human emotion.

Here I ask for your opinions on goverments either repersented in books or created as the fictional goverment theory inside the story.

This is a place where true sharing of philosophies on theoretical goverments should be placed. Please feel free to post whatever you want on the subject. Mainly i am looking for a good argument, so if you can think of something controversial I beg of you to post.

Government always fails? Can you give an example of something that has succeeded in its stead?

The ten most terrifying words in the English language are: "I hate all governments and I am here to help."

A person. An individual can succede ( I reely donnt kare if'n i spell sumthin rong), but People will fail. A person is remembered, Groups of people are not. They will eventually fall down to the person who created the organization in the first place. You see it re-occur all throughout history. Hitler, Napolean, Lenin, Ceaser, Washington, Jefferson Davis, and Churchill are all prime examples of this. There are even people who have faded into history, but their goverments have nearly been erased entirely. Gilgamesh was a man who practically created organized law, and yet people dont remember his empire, just what he was able to do within his life.

And now I ask if you can think of a goverment that was never defeated in war that had not eventually lost power from within?? If we havent created a stable goverment within goverment's huge life span so far, I doubt we ever will.

Or perhaps the Distopian literature is just so much more interesting to read. The ideal society would be a great place to live but somehow very boring to read about. While the opposite is true of the distopian society.

If you want something controversial (at least within the philosophical community), you should take a look at Anthem by Ayn Rand. There is plenty of criticism of collectivist or socialist governments. Also, only plural pronouns are allowed in the society described by Rand to emphasize equality. All of the names include a patriotic adjective/noun followed by a number, and everyone in society is taught to be the same. There are also plenty of mythological allusions if you are interested in that. Even if you dislike Rand and/or Objectivism, reading Anthem is worth it.

You[']r[e] intelligent...

For me, Brave New World is hard to classify. I must admit that the monkey in me is attracted to its Opia....

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The world is a business, Mr. Beale! It has been since man crawled out of the slime, and our children, Mr. Beale, will live to see that perfect world in which there is no war and famine, oppression and brutality --one vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock,all necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused.

Fido

As you state that the only form of goverment is a democracy i would tend discourage that idealism. A democracy has one major flaw, and even if it is one flaw, it is flawed none the less. That is, it is based on majority. In case you never fully relized this, there are always people who disagree. Skeptics and intellectuals will never fully except any goverment, and because of this they are hindered in today's society, which is where we come to people like you who simply fall in line with majority.

I understand that this has defied all reasons for creating this post, but i felt like you should hear that. Goverment always fails, and that is one lesson of plausible literature that gives off a good repersentation of human emotion.