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To what extent should Marijuana be legal?:flowers:
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Doubt doubt
 
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Reply Fri 23 Apr, 2010 09:58 am
@mediadrug,
To the same extent everything should be legal. If all property involved belongs to me and is not harming others property i, being a sovereign person, should be the highest authority on the matter with no need for permission or any outside input what so ever. I am a citizen of West Virgina. I am not a citizen of the United States though if the united states still existed it would be a different story.
Ali phil
 
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Reply Fri 23 Apr, 2010 10:59 pm
@mediadrug,
Marajuana should be legal in my opionion not because i think it isnt harmful but because its very diffacult to find weed thats just clean weed, people dont know what they're smoking. It could be laced with anything. P, flyspray, lead etc etc etc
Unless people can grow their own marajuana is going to get more of an issue.
People will put anything in it to make it heavier, or to give the custumer a better high but at what cost we cannot tell. if weed was a grow your own process then we would know excatly what people are smoking. Just like alcohole making it illegal does not work. In new zealand 1/2 have smoked weed. and 1/7 of new zealander smoke marajuana on a regular basis.
Thats higher than jamaca or holland.
Its legal there not here and we have more users.
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mediadrug
 
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Reply Sat 24 Apr, 2010 01:33 pm
@mediadrug,
Yeah Im a kiwi living in the UK, I smoke it every now and then but my life doesnt revolve around it by any stretch of the imagination, its my opinion that most of the big problems with it stem from its prohibition, by making it illegal the government is not stopping people using it, but putting the production and distribution of it in the hands of unregulated and dishonest criminals. I smoke clean weed, I know exactly what has gone into it, and I can definitely tell the difference, the negative effects some experience are probably more because of additives introduced somewhere down the line. I beleive that the use of marijuana provides an alternative state of consciousness in which things can be considered and created from a new original point of view, and that the solution should be to legalise its use to over 18s and implement strict regulations and measures for its production and availability just like alcohol

I thought Id post this topic as it has recently returned as a hot topic internationally within politics and science. It would be refreshing to hear some philosophical inputs if anyone has any.

=) Peace.
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Twilight Siren
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 08:13 pm
@mediadrug,
It should be 100% legal, just like alcohol or cigarettes.

Noone's ever had their life ruined by weed! The same doesnt go for alcohol or cigarettes!
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mister kitten
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 08:22 pm
@Doubt doubt,
Doubt doubt;155686 wrote:
To the same extent everything should be legal.

Mmmmm, yes even genocide. To some extent? Everything legal? :nonooo:

If we make marijuana legal, then what's stopping us from making similar drugs legal?

Made legal would make it more available to children. Think about the children!
amist
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 08:23 pm
@mediadrug,
It should be as legal as humanly possible.
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prothero
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 09:51 pm
@mediadrug,
Completely legal, I would say since MJ is less dangerous and addictive than either tobacco or alcohol.
Personally I think drug laws should be unconstitutional in most instances.

If a person on drugs commits a crime against another person or another person property while on drugs, then arrest and convict them for that, do not speculate that drugs cause crime. It is mostly crimminalizing drugs that creates drug crime.

Drug addiction should be viewed as a medical or a psychological problem not a criminal problem.

The government should provide you with accurate unbiased information about drugs not tell you what you can or cannot put in your body.

The war on drugs is an abysmal failure as are all legal prohibitions against private individual behavior (take prohibition, abortion, prostitution, gambling, pornorgraphy). It is all right to regulate these behaviors, confine them but making them completely illegal only pushes them underground and into the criminal realm it does not eliminate them.
It is better to legalize and regulate, educate and treat.
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Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 02:41 pm
@mediadrug,
LaughingU mean just in the shops = Amsterdam 1 gr. Ooops
Yust 4 Dutch Filosofie
Return on investments

Relax and Return Investments
Grand Scale

Lex Hollandia 2010

PS:bigsmile:
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jeeprs
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 08:55 pm
@mediadrug,
I support legalization with the caveat that nobody should be alllowed to make any money out of it. If it becomes a legal product that is traded and advertized, it will just be another problem in the same category as tobacco and alchohol (although I think it is less evil than alchohol in many ways.) So logically, I think people should be able to grow it for themselves but that severe (although perhaps not criminal) penalties should remain on selling it for profit - more like a fine for profiteering.

Nobody should EVER be sent to jail for marijuana consumption or trivial supply offences.
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Mentally Ill
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 07:59 pm
@mister kitten,
mister kitten;159148 wrote:
Mmmmm, yes even genocide. To some extent? Everything legal? :nonooo:

If we make marijuana legal, then what's stopping us from making similar drugs legal?

Made legal would make it more available to children. Think about the children!


Think about the children affected by alcohol, cigarettes, fast food, unrestricted television.
I would argue that marijuana should be legal before any of those things.
In fact, most of the problems associated with weed are due to the prohibition of weed, not the use.

When my stomache hurts, I smoke some weed and it fixes it!
When I have a headache, instead of taking aspirin, I smoke a little bit of weed and drink a little coffee, and it fixes it!
When I'm simply bored on the weekend, without any work to do, I smoke some weed and it fixes my boredom!


I actually think that all substances should be legal. Paint isn't illegal, but you can get high from it. Cleaning products should be illegal by the same rationale that weed is illegal.
Responsibility lies with the individual. Education about responsibility lies with parents. I think the government should not be involved to the extent that it is right now.

California will have the legalization of weed for adults 21 and over, just like acohol, on the ballot in November for the first time since the 70's!
I hope it gets enough votes to pass, it would be such an improvement.
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Leonard
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 08:29 pm
@mister kitten,
If marijuana were legalized partially and then grown in mass quantities by the government, the people who trade drugs would hardly make any money off them anymore. Their profits would run dry. The US is doing similar things to Mexico; outperforming them agriculturally and making their farms unprofitable.
Mentally Ill
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 12:23 am
@Leonard,
Leonard;162657 wrote:
If marijuana were legalized partially and then grown in mass quantities by the government, the people who trade drugs would hardly make any money off them anymore. Their profits would run dry. The US is doing similar things to Mexico; outperforming them agriculturally and making their farms unprofitable.


One of the biggest problems in mexico right now is the drug trade and the violent cartels. Legalizing weed would make their business obsolete and reduce the violence and drug related crime.
I would rather buy my weed from a store than from a criminal.
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Emil
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 12:44 pm
@mediadrug,
The amount of paternalism going on in the US is curious when looking at the country's history with emphasis on freedom.

Paternalism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

Personally, I'm not very keen on paternalism but many people are it seems.
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Yogi DMT
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 01:58 pm
@mediadrug,
The media and government has more or less brainwashed the public to believe Marijuana is something that it's not. Perhaps they just don't like the idea of a country such as the U.S. allowing marijuana the be legal (could be an image thing). The truth is weed is less dangerous for you then alcohol (especially when it comes to driving) and cigarettes.

-There hasn't been a single case of cancer solely related to marijuana
-You would have to smoke 200 pounds of weed in 15 minutes to overdose on THC
-Despite being under the influence marijuana can make you silly but doesn't pose any more threat to you or others than normally
-Marijuana doesn't contribute to violence outside the trade of the drug
-Marijuana smoke is the same as Tobacco, the difference is the average pot smoke might smoke a few times a week whereas the average cigarette smoker would smoke maybe a pack (20 cigs) a week
-Marijuana IS NOT addicting therefore it is easily controlled and not made to be a necessity
-Marijuana doesn't affect sperm count
-Marijuana doesn't affect heart health
-Smoking 2-3 times day for one month will reduce your lung capacity by 3%. If you can control how much you smoke, there will be no longterm effects whatsoever

This all has been PROVED. You will not melt on a couch next to your friend if you smoke weed.

Those are the facts. Who knows why the substance was originally made illegal, the world may never know...
jeeprs
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 03:29 pm
@mediadrug,
all well and good, but the long-term smokers I know have definitely been affected by it, mostly by a kind of prolonged adolescence and an inability to 'get real'. Although as I stated above, I am all in favour of de-criminalization, but not a legal trade.
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Reconstructo
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 03:45 pm
@mediadrug,
I get the feeling that where I live, the authorities are well aware that it gets smoked, and don't have a real intention to stop it. I feel that the law is about making it taboo in public, and I do have some sympathy with this. Imagine being passed by a car full of teenagers smoking a blunt! I do hate the idea of caging human beings over a weed...
Perhaps it should be decriminalized, taxed, and only be used in one's home. As far as driving goes, one could invent a more general sobriety law, that applied to all drugs. A test could be devised that establishes ones competence to share the road. This would also apply to health conditions. (I was in a head-on collision once that was not my fault in the least. The other car lost traction on some ice, crossed into my lane. Let's just say that airbags work.)

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I think weed is over-rated, but I don't want anyone abused for having a different opinion, as long as they consider the safety of others.
Mentally Ill
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 04:04 pm
@Reconstructo,
"Who knows why the substance was originally made illegal, the world may never know..."


Hemp was THE biggest cash crop in American agriculture for a couple HUNDRED years before the cotton and tobacco farmers started a movement against it. Hemp is one of the most universally usable materials known to man. The laws against it were created due to a variety of political and economic reasons pushed by the cotton and tobacco industry in the late 1800's, not because of any drug use related social phenomenon.
Smoking marijuana suffered a serious blow by what we call "yellow journalism" or, in other words, unfair, biased journalism similar to what we see on Fox News. At the time, there was a surge of Mexican immigration. Mexicans were bringing marijuana with them and profiting off its sales. As a racist backlash against Mexicans, smoking marijuana was condemned by "journalists" in newspapers and magazines to the point it became socially abhorrent.

Note: none of this has to do with any drug use related aspect of the cannabis plant.

Over time people have realized, once again, how harmless smoking marijuana is and how pleasurable and useful it can be in a variety of ways. Moreover, the cannabis plant is witnessing a comeback for its Hemp, which is the rest of the cannabis plant aside from the flower (marijuana).

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Reconstructo;163581 wrote:
I get the feeling that where I live, the authorities are well aware that it gets smoked, and don't have a real intention to stop it. I feel that the law is about making it taboo in public, and I do have some sympathy with this. Imagine being passed by a car full of teenagers smoking a blunt! I do hate the idea of caging human beings over a weed...
Perhaps it should be decriminalized, taxed, and only be used in one's home. As far as driving goes, one could invent a more general sobriety law, that applied to all drugs. A test could be devised that establishes ones competence to share the road. This would also apply to health conditions. (I was in a head-on collision once that was not my fault in the least. The other car lost traction on some ice, crossed into my lane. Let's just say that airbags work.)

---------- Post added 05-12-2010 at 04:48 PM ----------

I think weed is over-rated, but I don't want anyone abused for having a different opinion, as long as they consider the safety of others.


Clearly, people should not be driving under the influence of any drugs that would affect motor skills in any detrimental way. That should include cough syrup and nyquil, for the record.
Reconstructo
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 04:20 pm
@Mentally Ill,
Mentally Ill;163596 wrote:

Clearly, people should not be driving under the influence of any drugs that would affect motor skills in any detrimental way. That should include cough syrup and nyquil, for the record.


I completely agree. I think if we have safe public spaces available to all, that weed and alcohol should be legal. I'm not so sure about heroin. The drug issue is complex, because the more potent drugs arguably dehumanize those who are supposed to govern themselves, this being a democracy at least in name. On the other side is the ideal of freedom, including the freedom to take a risk in the name of pleasure. I don't see an easy answer.
Rwa001
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 06:09 pm
@Reconstructo,
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I support legalization with the caveat that nobody should be alllowed to make any money out of it. If it becomes a legal product that is traded and advertized, it will just be another problem in the same category as tobacco and alchohol (although I think it is less evil than alchohol in many ways.) So logically, I think people should be able to grow it for themselves but that severe (although perhaps not criminal) penalties should remain on selling it for profit - more like a fine for profiteering.


That's insane. People have to be compensated for their labor, that's economics 101. And there is a fine for profiteering, it's called taxes, and we desperately need the taxes that commercialized and legalized marijuana would bring.

In any case, weed should be as legal as tobacco and alcohol. In any case very few drugs are bad in-and-of-their nature, it's all about excess. Moderation is the key to a healthy life.

Our paternalism comes mostly from advocacy groups that have too much power and influence. Groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving command a ridiculous amount of voting power and so politicians pander to them rather than to rationality or the idea of 'rights' altogether. Statistically speaking a drunk driver is no more dangerous than an elderly person driving at night.
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