Evolution began with language

Cultural evolution is adaptation...We have not necessarily become better, faster, or stonger as a result of language...In fact, we have found unique ways of killing off the fittest to allow the unfit their survival, and the more the unfit breed, the more we must burden the poor with the support of the sick...Look at how much of our medical technology goes to the support and nurishment of genetic diseases in the population...Such people in the past would have been weeded out, and it is social and moral considerattions that keep them alive...Feuds used to kill off the weak and not so smart...War kills off the fittest first, and eveyone else as they get in the way...We have no appreciation for the logic of the past...We do not know how we got to this point, so we are left making moral judgements wiithout understanding.

evolution is not necessarily getting "faster stronger better"

It better be, or it is de-evolution.

If it wasn't for language and the evolution of it, none of us would be on this forum.

no, Evolution is just change.
It could be to move faster or to move slower. to get bigger, get smaller...get smarter, get less smart.

just change.

did you know that there is an organism that begins it's life with a brain and then loses it ?

yeah. that's evolved

Did you know that human beings begin life as human beings and through their culture become sub human, or inhuman...Figure that out...

Evolution is much more than change.

Change takes place without Language... i.e. erosion, freezing, radioactivity... no code required.

If those things evolved, then we would note a different kind of erosion, or freezing, or radioactivity that took place in the distant past, but no longer exist. We would have different types of erosion, freezing, and radioactivity in our current time than the types that existed long ago... but we don't. They're exactly the same now as they were then.

But Life, and anything else with code, evolves. That's because code is always a representation of a thought from a mind. As that thought passes from one mind to the next, it evolves, picking up new additional thoughts from the minds it passes through. By the time my thought moves from me to you, and then another, and another... it becomes a different thought than the one originally transmitted upon the code that originally represented it.

Proof of this lies in the fact you will use a different code to reply back, even if you completely agree. You will not simply cut, copy, paste my original thought back to me. You will add to it, forcing it to evolve, thus becoming a new thought shared between us. It will never be the same original thought ever again.

Code always represent thoughts from a mind. And one big difference between thought and chaos is that chaos does not duplicate itself just by looking at it. Thoughts are duplicated just by looking at them. Now you have my thoughts along with me. I'm sure to duplicate yours sent back... at the very moment I view your reply. The duplication takes place in the mind. Mind doesn't duplicate chaos.

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I like that Fido.

Evolution is much more than change.

Change takes place without Language... i.e. erosion, freezing, radioactivity... no code required.

that's right....just to show one simple reason why no code is required for change.
there's no code required to delete or mix up coded or other data, eh ? bang, part of data gone . change. evolution. I can delete some data in a sentence, making it different.

It's been noted that human language has rhythm and tone like music.

I'm confused. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? What do you mean by "no code required to delete"? What do you think "delete" is? It wouldn't delete unless it was encoded to delete.

No code is required to delete data.. a magnetic field can wipe a hard drive, right ?

Maybe they haven't got much to say, or to understand...Maybe everything they say is contextual, which would make sense given the range messages could travel in water, so the mind could filter out all messages not making sense within the context of what was going on at the moment...What if, to communicate we always had to say something relevant, and not for entertainment value...I pity the dolphins...No matter what, they do not want to hear what we have to say....

There is a great deal of progress in this research. My personal favorite is a system of 12"x12" thin aluminum sheets with sand poured on top. The recorded Dolphin squawk is played in a speaker underneath the aluminum sheet. This causes the sheet to vibrate and the sand forms a symbol of the sound. No, symbols are not the same as patterns.

We then scan those symbols and use them to form an alphabet for the dolphin. Once we have a full alphabetical representation of dolphin language, then we may be capable of understanding and thus communicating with them. These symbols are forming consistently among numerous dolphins, and are completely associated with the behavior of the dolphin as they are being uttered. They are recorded video and sound. Certain consistent conceptual representations are forming in the vibrating sand.

There are dozens of youtube videos on many different research. Do a search for "Dolphin Communication".

Let us consider than when talking about magnetic fields and erosion or other natural phenomena, it is possible to consider those actions as governed by code as well considering they are all constructs of the physical laws of the universe.

Mathematics itself could be seen as a language I suppose. Or perhaps rather mathematics is constructed to resemble the natural phenomena of the universe, a translation of sorts.

Well, that's a bit of a loaded question... a good one though. Our choice of words is crucial to this discussion. Data is a form of code. They are both material objects located at a specific coordinate in space/time. They are physical things.

So, the simple answer is actually "yes". Wiping a hard drive is the same as destroying data. But... destroying data is not the same thing as destroying Information. Information is non physical. It is immaterial, and always a product from a mind. Data only represents Information. Data represents the thoughts from a mind just like my words here are representing the thoughts from my mind. Data is not the same as Information. And we have no evidence to suggest that destroying a hard drive can also destroy the immaterial thoughts from a mind. It's the Information that really counts. The medium is not the message.

whatever way you wish to define DNA - as code, or language - or anything else...

DNA can be damaged or cut, denatured etc etc and obviously, this is a kind of destruction or removal not by code but by radiation, chemicals, or micro scissors if necessary.

Take a piece out, or warp it join it together, whatever...you got change and not necessarily by code, at all .

The change was not done by code, but the DNA was affected. The molecule was affected.

Big difference between Change and Evolution.

Sure it was affected. That type of affect leads to extinction... not Evolution.

In humans, this process starts at conception when maternal and paternal DNA strands join together at random points in their sequence(1). Enzymes such as T7 endonuclease 1 are then responsible for severing the strands at this junction, thus creating a third, unique DNA sequence for the offspring.