Evolving apes.

Nature may require intelligence to make itself explore beyond its horizon. I'm sure we are its intention. Nothing else would look at the stars and dare to imagine. I think in a certain way we were determined , determined by more than is natural? on that I would not dare to imagine.

This personification is the tricky part... evolution is basically changes in the frequency of alleles. So while we filter out the bad changes, which make up the majority, they are there nonetheless. Intent has nothing to do with it.

You may choose to argue that natural selection eventually leads to intelligence but given the fact that we are here it is of course an easy argument lol. However, that does not mean necessarily that things could not have been different, that natural selection will always lead to intelligence no matter the circumstances.

We say things like "living things want to survive", but only we are able to form the want... how does a cell of bacteria "want" to survive?!?

I believe that it is inevitable that evolution will produce intelligence. If the circumstances are compatible for all other life as we see it, then yes intelligent life will evolve. It is the best invention evolution can create , nothing else can compete with intelligence. You tell my it why could not be inevitable?

I also believe that life as we know it was always inevitable. Nature has a basic formula that by it , it will seed new life wherever it finds life sustainable.

I'll wait on science to catch up for that one. It's possible that life is inevitable, and given the number of other galaxies out there, there's probably life elsewhere, but until we understand how life begins on a deeper level, I'll hold my opinions to "maybes".



Maybe, but we'll have to wait and see.

How about God is LIFE and we all share that LIFE?

When did the idea of god get involved in my conversation with xris?

If god is life, then we all have or "share" a quality of god, we are all alive. But I see no reason to place the term god on the term life... it is more confusing than useful, in my opinion.

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If you mean something else you'll have to be more explicit.

Do you think that this thread is just retricted to you and xris??

How about God is LIFE and we all share that LIFE?

You have that same problem again and again Alan , what god ? Nature is as determined as any conceived god but can it be considered as god? It creates and determines our lives, we are lost without it and doomed by it. It has no visible figure that can represent it or give reason for its existence. Maybe it created us to speak for it, to make sense of its creation. We might just be the ultimate judge of its creation and be its conscious ability.

Can we as humans have direct and consequential evolution upon others?

Does by our presence and own evolution evolve other creatures?
Especially apes.

What with the touch screens and reward systems and games in place that some might say are outside of nature or speeding it up in place to teach the apes things they can only learn through our nature not the nature or their nature, does this speed up their evolution?
Do humans actionings upon apes speed up their evolution?

(This line of thinking led me to ask, do we evolve ourselves? do we have control over our evolution? or do we need a trainer that is more than nature? as nature has no self and evolves because of its own nature to do so and be so beacause of its own design, it is the design not the designed maybe not even the designer?)

Re: Some sort of selective breeding program breeding of only the most intelligent apes who have a proclivity for language could speed up the evolutionary process. We've done it with dogs, cattle, apples etc. though we usually emphasize other traits in those cases. It would still take a while. Eugenics or selective breeding is evolution; but in the case of selective breeding we become part of the environment that determines which animals survive. Our technologies and their side effects are also part of that environment.

"In the year 2525..."

xris my God equates to all of existence

Thus God = Existence

"Not God = Existence + something"

Thus if my God vanishes we vanish and there is only this god, of course this is just my opinion

Maybe.

Now, scientifically speaking, how would you begin to verify that?...[snip]

...The taxonomic tree?

It fits neatly on the phylogenetic one.

unsupported claim.

Like many of the others on this thread.

So what?

Now, scientifically speaking, how would you begin to verify that?

Re: Some sort of selective breeding program breeding of only the most intelligent apes who have a proclivity for language could speed up the evolutionary process. We've done it with dogs, cattle, apples etc. though we usually emphasize other traits in those cases. It would still take a while. Eugenics or selective breeding is evolution; but in the case of selective breeding we become part of the environment that determines which animals survive. Our technologies and their side effects are also part of that environment.

"In the year 2525..."