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If you were a bookie... Polls and bets on the 2004 elections

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 04:19 pm
Oh, the GOP has phalanxes of lawyers lined up too, "Just in case". The thrust seems to me that the Rebublicans will bring them to play if and as necessary should it come to that, whereas the Democrats appear to have come to consider legal challenge to be a normal and expected, even mission-critical, part of The Electoral Process.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 05:46 pm
Bush is out...Kerry will be our next president. And you can go to the bank with that.

All the rest of this stuff is bullshyt.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 06:55 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
Bush is out...Kerry will be our next president. And you can go to the bank with that.

All the rest of this stuff is bullshyt.
Hey Frank; did you get any of that action when B.O.S. had a Kerry victory paying over 2 to 1 a couple weeks ago?

He's still +120 as opposed to Bush's -160 putting his odds at 7 to 5.

Btw, I know you know as well as I know how well these guys know what they know, ya know? Idea
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 09:01 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
Bush is out...Kerry will be our next president. And you can go to the bank with that.

All the rest of this stuff is bullshyt.


Care to put some money where your mouth is?
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 09:07 pm
I was going to offer a wager, as well.
Mama's got her eye on some funky shoes.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 10:56 pm
This one shoulda gone here:

Who won the debate?

OK I'm gonna be lazy & pick these numbers from the comments page on Daly's blog, instead of looking up all the respective websites to find the numbers first-hand. Hope they dont include any mistakes:

ABC News - on a sample that included 38% Republicans and only 30% Democrats / 28% Independents:
Kerry 42%
Bush 41%

CBS News Poll
Kerry 39%
Bush 25%

Gallup/CNN - on a sample that included - EDITED to correct numbers - 36% Democrats, 36% Republicans and 28% Independents
Kerry 52%
Bush 39%

CNN Focus Group, 17 on the panel
Kerry 10
Bush 7
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 12:48 am
this is funny to me...

3 debates. in which, i've observed;

one kerry personality.

three bush personalities.

guess i'm voting for the guy that is never, ever gonna drink a beer with me.

at least i know what to expect.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 12:57 am
Here's the detail on the ABC poll. The internals are interesting.


Quote:
ABC Poll: Last Presidential Debate Is a Draw
Equal Numbers Call Bush, Kerry the Winner
Analysis By GARY LANGER
Oct. 13, 2004?- John Kerry and George W. Bush battled to another draw in their last debate of the 2004 campaign, with perhaps more bragging rights to Kerry, since more Republicans tuned in.

Among registered voters who watched the debate, 42 percent called Kerry the winner, 41 percent said Bush won and 14 percent called it a tie. That's similar to the outcome of the second debate, while Kerry won the first among viewers by a nine-point margin.


Who Won?
Bush 41%
Kerry 42
Tie 14


The audience for the third debate was a bit more Republican in its allegiance: Among viewers, 38 percent identified themselves as Republicans, 30 percent as Democrats and 28 percent as independents. That makes the draw more of an accomplishment for Kerry.


Party ID of Debate Viewers
Democrats 30%
Republican 38
Independents 28




It occurred in part because Democrats who watched were more apt to stand by their man. Among Democratic viewers, 81 percent called Kerry the winner, and five percent said Bush won; among Republicans who watched, 73 percent said it was Bush's win, and 12 percent gave the win to Kerry. Independents divided by 42-35 percent, Kerry-Bush.


Who Won
Kerry Bush Tie
Among Democrats 81% 5 11
Among Republicans 12% 73 11
Among Independents 42% 35 22




As is customary, there were no immediate changes in vote preferences. Viewers divided about evenly between Bush and Kerry, 49-48 percent, before the debate; and absolutely evenly, 49-49 percent, after it.


Preference Among Viewers
Before Debate After Debate
Bush/Cheney 49% 49
Kerry/Edwards 48 49
Nader/Camejo <0.5 1




Kerry runs evenly with Bush in vote preferences, despite the Republican advantage in political allegiance among debate viewers, in part because the independents who tuned in were more Democratic-leaning in their vote preference, breaking 52-43 percent, Kerry-Bush. (Kerry also was supported in vote preference by 13 percent of the Republicans who watched, while Bush was supported by fewer Democrats, six percent.)


Sampling, data collection and tabulation for this poll were done by TNS.

The audience for a debate poll can depend on a variety of factors, including, for instance, whether viewers find it interesting enough to stay tuned, and what else is on television. Part of doing well in a poll of debate viewers means getting people who support you to tune in.

That's one reason Dick Cheney won the vice presidential debate by eight points, 43-35 percent over John Edwards; the audience was seven points more Republican. (Cheney also did better with his side's supporters than Edwards did with his.) While not a win, getting a draw among a more-Republican audience adds luster to Kerry's performance in Tempe.

As noted, there was also a draw between Kerry and Bush in their second debate. Kerry's win in the first debate breathed new life into his campaign, promoting an eight-point rise in his personal favorability rating and a closer contest between the two candidates.

This survey was conducted by telephone among a random-sample panel of 566 registered voters who watched the presidential debate. Respondents were initially interviewed Oct. 9-12. The results have a 4.5-point error margin. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, Pa.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 01:55 am
timberlandko wrote:
Here's the detail on the ABC poll. The internals are interesting.


guess we're gettin' down to the nitty gritty pretty soon here, eh timber?
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 05:40 am
timberlandko wrote:
Oh, the GOP has phalanxes of lawyers lined up too, "Just in case". The thrust seems to me that the Rebublicans will bring them to play if and as necessary should it come to that, whereas the Democrats appear to have come to consider legal challenge to be a normal and expected, even mission-critical, part of The Electoral Process.

Four years ago, when James Baker initially referred to the legal challenges that the Democrats were using to stop or change or slow the election finalization, there actually had been no legal challenges initiated by Democrats at all. But the Republicans themselves had already brought challenges before the courts.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 06:18 am
blatham wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
Oh, the GOP has phalanxes of lawyers lined up too, "Just in case". The thrust seems to me that the Rebublicans will bring them to play if and as necessary should it come to that, whereas the Democrats appear to have come to consider legal challenge to be a normal and expected, even mission-critical, part of The Electoral Process.

Four years ago, when James Baker initially referred to the legal challenges that the Democrats were using to stop or change or slow the election finalization, there actually had been no legal challenges initiated by Democrats at all. But the Republicans themselves had already brought challenges before the courts.


That's true, but usually some don't let a little thing facts stop them.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 06:19 am
I believe the Democrats had demanded recounts in three heavily-Democrat Florida counties before the Republicans brought any challenges.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 06:20 am
trawwhl iawyurrsss....
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 06:21 am
I think Bush is going to win with a wider margin that predicted. We have some weeks to go and the debates are over and everything else is in bush's advantage. From having the bully pulpit to having a friendly media that argues for him.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 06:27 am
A media that argues for Bush. If only that were true. ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN are all certified pro-Kerry. Bush has Fox who are willing to give him a fair shake.

I think it's going to come down to the wire again.

Here is pretty good chronology of the Flordia recount fiasco just so we know what we might be in for:

http://covenantnews.com/election.htm
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 06:48 am
Rueters-Zogby Oct 14: Bush 46, Kerry 45 Bush up 1, Kerry flat, 3-Day Tracking, Bulk of sample Pre-Debate.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 06:49 am
revel wrote:
I think Bush is going to win with a wider margin that predicted.


nope...
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 06:54 am
I have been tracking this site for awhile. The predictions are based on polls in each state. When a new poll comes out, the numbers are adjusted:


http://www.electoral-vote.com/
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 07:11 am
Rasmussen may not have the best track record, but I still find it the most fun to watch as it summarizes so may different factors.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 07:18 am
Foxfyre wrote:
I believe the Democrats had demanded recounts in three heavily-Democrat Florida counties before the Republicans brought any challenges.


recounts is not the same as hiring lawyers and filing suits.
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