cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2004 05:23 pm
Is it part of the Hearst Castle?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2004 06:18 pm
cjh, Good guess! I think you're right.
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caprice
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2004 06:30 pm
cjhsa guesses it right.

*passes on the baton to cjhsa*

Smile
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caprice
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2004 08:56 pm
Tidbits about the Hearst Castle
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2004 09:02 pm
caprice, I usually have a good visual memory, but this one failed me. Our family visited Hearst Castle about thirty five years ago, but I can still remember the inside pool, the dining hall, and the guest houses on the property. Many famous movie stars were invited by Hearst when he lived there. Unfortunately, Hearst was a bigot, and it showed big time before and during WWII.
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caprice
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2004 09:07 pm
Ya learn something new every day! I had no idea he was a bigot. Then again, I really don't know much about the Hearst family.

Another topic, what is your opinion of The Amazing Race? (Assuming you have seen it. Smile )
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2004 09:17 pm
Here's one article about Hearst.
http://www.electricemperor.com/eecdrom/HTML/EMP/04/MECH04_08.HTM
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caprice
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2004 09:25 pm
Oh my! What a hateful individual! Someone in that position....can't help think he's contributed to the stereotypes that live on to today.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2004 09:42 pm
Here's another one that speaks to his anti-Japanese rhetoric. I highlighted the section in bold letters.
*************http://photothru.com/photo_filedb1/A5/58/29/A55829/viewable/A55829_131CA0C36B15_1.jpg
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2004 09:43 pm
I couldn't highlight the article, but it's the second paragraph.
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caprice
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2004 10:01 pm
Regarding the paragraph....one can't help wonder what happened to the lands owned by Japanese immigrants. Were they stripped away? Who profitted? It's disgusting to think about.

Slightly different topic but...you must have been a wee lad during the internments of WWII. Do you have any recollection of those times? Were any in your family affected? Sorry if I'm being too curious here.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2004 10:36 pm
caprice, Yes, I was a wee lad of six when we were sent to concentration camps in the US. We spent four years behind barbed wire. We didn't own anything, but the families that did lost everything. They had a 'fire' sale to sell everything they owned on pennies on the dollar, because we had only a few days notice to be ready to move. We were allowed only what we could carry. I'm amazed to this day that our mother cared for three young children by herself, since we were limited to what we could carry, and my younger brother was only one years old. Curiosity is good; too many in this country still doesn't know the history of this country. During my many travels, I share this information with travel companions, and it's the very first time they've ever heard of this history, because our schools have failed to include this in our history books. That is not to say I do not appreciate this country. It has provided my siblings and I the opportunity to succeed in ways not possible in many countries on this planet. One final note. The Japanese American battalion, the 442nd Infantry unit was the most decorated during WWII, and received more presidential citations than any other unit.
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caprice
 
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Reply Thu 5 Feb, 2004 01:22 am
It is a sad reflection indeed to think there are many who aren't aware of this part of North American history. I had thought it was only in the United States, but it happened in western Canada (British Columbia) too. I only found that out during a show with David Suzuki. I don't know if you are acquainted with him or not, but in Canda he's a well known scientist, educator, environmentalist, author and broadcaster. (He hosts The Nature of Things, a weekly show on CBC television in Canada.) A very accomplished individual to say the least! He and his family were interned during World War II as well. I was very surprised when he described what happened to him at such a young age.

The United States has done a lot of good in the world and it is a powerful country which offers its citizens many opportunties. The sad part is, there are shameful aspects of its history. What you have mentioned is one of them. Another that I know of is the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy and the illegal seizure of an independent nation. It is too bad that more lessons have not been learned from the less than illustrious parts of its history.

I was not aware of the decorated unit in the army. I had heard such things about units comprised of black men, but not those of Japanese heritage.

The history books should show all of history. The good points and the bad.

What was it like for you? Four years! I cannot even begin to fathom it. What was it like afterwards? I imagine there must have been hard times afterwards as well. Were you and your family treated poorly?

My Dad grew up speaking Norwegian and not knowing any English when he went to school. My Mom wanted him to teach me and my brother the language when we were small but he never did. I've never asked him, but I think he must have had gone through teasing and such when he was a kid (you know how cruel children can be!) and I think he didn't want that stigma for his own children. I feel robbed because knowing another language could have made a difference in my life. So, feeling as I do about this, it makes me think how much worse it had to have been for what you experienced in your youth.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 5 Feb, 2004 10:49 am
caprice, As children, we were able to accept and acclimate to our environment rather easily - as most children do. All families were relegated to a one room "apartment" with a pot-bellied stove in the middle fueled by coal. The barracks were made from sparse wood covered by tar paper, so it wasn't much of a shelter from the cold of winter, the heat of summer, or the dust storms. They have a replica of these barracks at the Japanese American National Museum in Los Angeles. When I first walked into the one at the museum, it was an overwhelming emotional experience for me. I later donated our mother's camp badge with her picture on it to the museum for their displays, because I didn't see another one like it at the museum. It's one of those life experiences that was bad, but didn't affect our future. That's what really matters.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 5 Feb, 2004 10:57 am
Sorry for being away. Let me think of something, I'll be right back.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 5 Feb, 2004 11:05 am
http://mishopi.image.pbase.com/u6/chb/upload/6284171.DCP_0197aa.jpg

Click here if image above doesn't display.
http://mishopi.image.pbase.com/u6/chb/upload/6284171.DCP_0197aa.jpg


http://www.dddesign.com/3dbydan/new/02.jpg
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 5 Feb, 2004 11:14 am
cjh, Can't see the image, but is it in the US? Wink
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 5 Feb, 2004 11:18 am
Yes, in the U.S. I tried to fix the image.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 5 Feb, 2004 11:34 am
That's the US Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs. Wink
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 5 Feb, 2004 11:34 am
It's the chapel.
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