Dark Matter

I speculated its the gravitational experiences of other universes.I can imagine, like the magnet under the table moved my toy cars, as a child i might add, but you could not see the magnet.

I speculated its the gravitational experiences of other universes.I can imagine, like the magnet under the table moved my toy cars, as a child i might add, but you could not see the magnet.

Yes but could you pick a piece of it up and throw it? Or make something out of it ('Dave, throw me the Dark Matter spanner)? Is it 'stuff', like these dense little balck hole things bobbing around in space? Or - this is the spooky bit - is it actually 'all around', present where we are, but not perceptible?

You see, I don't think many people realise how strange science has become, and how far from the Victorian world-picture that many of us still live in....

Yes but could you pick a piece of it up and throw it? Or make something out of it ('Dave, throw me the Dark Matter spanner)? Is it 'stuff', like these dense little balck hole things bobbing around in space? Or - this is the spooky bit - is it actually 'all around', present where we are, but not perceptible?

You see, I don't think many people realise how strange science has become, and how far from the Victorian world-picture that many of us still live in....

Do you have a link or something please Xris to the evidence you mentioned in your last post thank you.

The current new scientist has an article on the new probe to discover more about the back ground microwave noise of the universe.They are attempting to look back even further in time to milliseconds after the BB.Its part of that article Caroline.

Yes but could you pick a piece of it up and throw it? Or make something out of it ('Dave, throw me the Dark Matter spanner)? Is it 'stuff', like these dense little balck hole things bobbing around in space? Or - this is the spooky bit - is it actually 'all around', present where we are, but not perceptible?

You see, I don't think many people realise how strange science has become, and how far from the Victorian world-picture that many of us still live in....

Hi All

I note an earlier thread on this topic here. I too have puzzled over this idea and would like to put it up again for any responses.

I am not scientifically trained, nor with any expertise in physics. I am a writer who reads about such topics in New Scientist and so on. So these are all the wonderings of a layman - they are certainly more poetic than technical, but here goes.

The current 'model of the universe' holds that dark matter 'accounts for the vast majority of the mass in the observable universe.' (Wikipedia.) Furthermore, we are told that Dark Matter is 'not directly observable'. Its existence is inferred from measurements of the rate of expansion of the observable universe. It is described as 'non-baryonic' meaning in layman's terms 'not consisting of atoms'.

Well pardon me, but I can't help having the feeling that this opens a can of worms of cosmic proportions. If in fact a large percentage of the Universe consists of something we can't even detect or see but only infer, then I would have thought that the 'scientific materialist' picture of the universe is in pretty dire straights. After all, the very ground of scientific materialism is that what we can detect and measure with our senses and instruments IS the sole reality. Now we are told that he existence of most of the stuff around us, by weight, can't even be detected. So doesn't this leave room for other kinds of beings or entities or intelligences that might originate or dwell in the same unknowable and un-measurable dimension? (I won't even hazard a guess what these might be.)

There is an expression called the God of the Gaps, referring to 'the role of God as being confined to the "gaps" in scientific explanations of nature.' Of course we are told that with the triumphal march of science, etc, the gaps are nowadays pretty small. However it would seem to me that with the current state of cosmology - dark matter being only one of several very mystifying developments - the gaps have suddenly gotten an awful lot bigger. Big enough to contain entire other dimensions of reality, one would think. (I am not looking for a definite answer. I think "We don't know" is actually OK in this context, but would be interested in any thoughts.)

We spend far too much time and energy on looking to the stars than looking in ourselves.

I believe the answers to mans questions lies in something so miniscule we won't have the technology to see it for a very very long time.

A telescope let's you see something far away close up.