@Elmud,
Quote:i also have a theory that even though god is good and god is bad, that going by the fact that we are still around and have a long history behind us (unless it is an illusion) that proves this energy is nurturing rather than destructive. otherwise we would all be gone, right? it would have ended a long time ago.
This doesn't prove anything. Nurturing rather than destructive? Energy? If you look at the universe outside our solar system it is INCREDIBLY hostile. Radiation that would cook human flesh in seconds. Explosions on levels you can't even imagine. Objects that would crush you before you even got close to them. Even within our solar system is nothing but hostile stuff. Asteroids nearly miss the earth all the time, and some of them are large enough to create quite a bit of problems for us. These near misses are sometimes only hours off. As far as saying some being is preventing these hostile things from happening is a huge joke to me. Why? Well if these asteroids nearly miss the earth, why create them in the first place if you are just going to make them nearly miss and kill your beloved creation? That is why I don't buy that argument.
Quote:I will rephrase my quote "God is the God of my understanding".
So according to your logic God could be a huge lump of dog Sh-t, if that the God of your understanding
You know one day YOU WILL DIE and face god and tell him that to this hypothetical face and tell him he stinks in your eyes
Why all this hatred for an entity that just might be the reason you are alive and exist?
God is a Spirit outside of time and space existing in an "ever changing moment
God is the lover of my soul , the reason I exist the great father, the giver of life, the inscrutable one
I'm glad you care enough to remind me of this however; if such a situation occurs, I would expect god to understand that he created me with this mind of mine that just couldn't settle on an ancient book of tales and bigotry. A book that promotes violence and inhumane behavior. That there are SO many religions how could you expect a person to pick the right one? The members of them all scream at you that they are the ones with the TRUE knowledge.
How could I believe in a convoluted story where this benevolent god so convinced himself that he had not given his creation a fair enough shot at his expectations so he embedded himself into the role of one of his creations to prove to himself that he could uphold his own expectations? And as a final display of such success would toss himself into the muck of society and die (because of societal rebellion) for the greater cause of rescuing humanity from the one being who made the rules in the first place?
It reeks and that is why I say god would stink to high heaven. I shouldn't even talk about it really because I should allow you to believe what you will without me criticizing it. But the aspect I see which I find threatening is when ideology insists it must force it's moralistic views onto society to obey them. This causes nothing but more misery and suffering onto the world, it never prevents or makes it better. It is for this reason that I feel I must say something.
Quote:Actually, your interpretation of what God's possible essence could be faulty.
So same thing with your problem that "if God sees all things then why make something that will piss him off?"
Yes, this is the fundamental flaw I refer to but unlike Darwin I am not hung up on it. He was a christian and still thought a god hand his hands in the workings of nature. I however do not think any being plays any roles as a caretaker in nature. If there was such a being then odd stuff would happen that we simply could not explain but this never happens.
The funny thing about all this is, you have no more of an idea about god than I do. The only difference between us is that you believe and I don't. We have absolutely nothing else to go on than a hunch, a guess, a hypothesis, a theory. You are no closer to the truth than I although you might claim you are because you have faith or something but lets be honest here you know damn well you have nothing else to go on than that.
So I beg the question, had you never been subjected to the bible or a church goer would you ever consider god as existing? Can you honestly answer it? Before you do take into consideration this possible scenario;
Imagine you were born, blind and deaf, you also couldn't taste or feel anything as well as smell. All you had were your thoughts. Let's assume that a doctor is keeping your body alive but you have absolutely no knowledge of that doctor. What would your world consist of? You would never learn a language, you would never learn about a car, a house, a job, the idea of a mother or father wouldn't occur to you. In fact you would not even consider yourself as a thing because to do so you must have something that does not consist of you to say, "this is me, that is not me." If you can't sense anything else then you have no way to determine anything. The last little bit of this is the kicker, you wouldn't even have the concept of god because god is something taught to you, it is not inherent.
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