Night Ripper;158480 wrote:
Linguistic framework? No, these are cultural-ethical frameworks.
Like I said, I am only committed to the claim that all ethical truth values are relative. You're the one that started talking about things that are true from within the context of a cultural-ethical framework we aren't in, namely WWII Germany. If it was true in that framework then so be it. That doesn't mean it has to be true in my framework. Which is good since it's not.
You simply don't get it: Objectivity within frameworks is just that, objectivity
--there simply aren't any relative
moral jugments within
Therefore, "In Germany, Killing Jews is right" is literally false
within Modern USA, simply because american culture believes that it is false
. You can believe this statement is true, but it's actually false in the modern USA cultural framework.
"P and ~(S)~P" is true in W, and,
"P and (S)~P" is false in W.
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Objective Moral relativism is the thesis that, within the Modern USA:
"In WWII Germany, killing Jews is right" is false because it is equivalent in propositional content to,
"Killing Jews is right"--which is false.
But you are maintaining that, within the Modern USA,
"In WWII Germany, killing Jews is right" is true in the Modern USA. Not so: it is false within Modern USA or at least completely truth-valueless.
So you can maintain "all moral truths are relative to culture" all you want. But "In WWII Germany, killing Jews is right" is false or truth-valueless (since there is no fact of the matter about it) because people in the Modern USA believe
that it is
false. Objective moral judgments are not relative moral judgments within a culture. So MMR is either false or truth-valueless. So if MMR is true then, necessarily, "In WWII Germany, killing Jews is right" is false in the Modern USA.
Therefore, Night Ripper, what you are saying is actually false right now...lol. What reason do I have to believe you? After all, my culture says Killing Jews in WWII Germany was wrong is true, so your thinking that "Killing Jews in WWII Germany is right is true" is false.
I've never seen someone so blind as to what his own assertion says.:rolleyes: