Altered states of consciousness

^^^ What's the difference whether your 'altered state' was drug induced or not?
Sounds like an exciting trip.
Peace

To be honest i dont know how to respond..do you ever doubt their authenticity? i have had experiences but never on this level and i have trouble with how i should interpret them..

The altered state I mentioned were the results of years of practice They were subjectively true and not drug induced.

I did not really put this up as a topic of discussion ,but just for those interested in this type of phenomenon

What sort of practice(s) do you have?

So how do you begin?

Food and/or sleep deprivation, meditation techniques are a couple of ways to accomplish this without drugs. Alan, I think I have been some of the places you have been; it can be beautiful, or it can be agony...I have also written about a few of my own out-of-body experiences on this forum.

"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n" - Milton

Are you a synesthete?

Synesthesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Neurological synesthesia is involuntary and automatic, not to mention that such perceptions are consistent.

Alan, do you perceive things as you describe above regularly, or does this sort of perception only hit at certain times, perhaps while you practice?

I wonder if he is rationally appropriating things that are at base involuntary -- a locus of control issue.

You remind me of this kid---->

He starts at 2:10


YouTube - Part 4 - Phantoms In The Brain (Episode 2)



Heres part 2

YouTube - Part 5 - Phantoms In The Brain (Episode 2)

Sounds like the only difference is egoic; "Look what I earned with hard work!" If I can get to the 'same place' after 10 minutes from popping a pill, ego tells you that either you have done something 'wrong' or 'the hard way', or that the experience of others must be a lie. Most if not all of the traditional mystical techniques are designed to alter the chemical environment in the brain. They manifest an abundance of CO2 and a depletion of O2; incessant chanting or prayer, ecstatic dancing, fasting, pain, standing on one foot, whatever... all bring CO2 (chemical) rich brain environment. (See; Huxley, A., 'Doors of Perception') This environment inhibits our inhibitors of what we perceive and what gets filtered out (by the brain). A little cognitive 'reducing valve'. Your 'years of practice' or someone else's 'entheogen' both allow that 'reducing valve' to open and allow 'more' into consciousness.

"Beware of 'pride', my son, it's a huge speedbump on the Path!" - Book of Fudd (6:9)


This sentence makes no sense. But it does cry of egoic content...


Another nonsensical sentence.
Everything posted here is a topic of critical thoughtful examination and conversation. Need I remind you of where you are?
And "this type of phenomenon" is common amongst entheogenic practitioners who would readily recognize your; "of the intensity of colors, that blazed in living harmonious vibrations. Everything sang and I could hear and fell the caress of the sound of smell the taste of music and colors beyond present perception."
As a reminder, though, you actually did offer it for discussion by mentioning it here;


Peace

Anyone like me who has been on army maneuvers and have been deprived of sleep will tell you that hallucinations are quit common.I have had to go up to them and wave my arms through these apparitions to disprove them.On the other hand i have had experiences that for me defy explanations..

Nameless - are you really suggesting that meditative practice is relatively more egocentric than drug use? Sheesh! Have you ever used psychedelics (rhetorical, of course)?

No, I'm saying that someone who has only 'experienced' meditative practice, and discounts the entheogenic 'experience' of others, is egotistical; "what is 'right' for me is the only 'right'" type of thing. That is what I'm saying.
Me 'right', you 'wrong' (if different than me) = ego.
Capisce'?

Sleep deprivation is a very good way to go, as well as not eating for a while.

The tasting music, or tasting colors etc are scientific facts and not just my own experience. many people have this sort of altered senses all the time. But to some of them it is a burden.

Our whole body is aware even down to the cellular level, People who have received organ transplants often feel the memories of the donors. As if their DNA has memory at the cellular level and this somehow leaks into the receiptiant

You have found the doors to other perceptions, Any thing else is in your head as an individual. Cool stuff.

YouTube - Project Camelot interviews David Wilcock - Part 1 of 4



YouTube - Project Camelot interviews David Wilcock - Part 2 of 4



YouTube - Project Camelot interviews David Wilcock - Part 3 of 4




YouTube - Project Camelot interviews David Wilcock - Part 4 of 4

Joe,

David makes some interesting points. But I differ on some. God is God and we are his creations.

Not all people are able to melt into higher states of consciousness, some of us are just more highly sensitive.

Take the recent Olympic games. Usain Bolt a sprinter of phenomenon outerworldly ability. One could train for a thousand years and never come even remotely close. He was born with this huge ability you cant manufacture it.

But everyone can run , some better and some worse, and if we train we will all go faster and further.

I was born with an abnormal brain, and I learned to control it after years. I was psychic from the time I was a small boy and could always see other dimension invisible to most people around me.

I used to frighten and perplex my parents, relatives , school friends and later my work colleagues with knowledge about them that only they knew about.

Like David, I have had numerous Out Of Body experiences and in addition a profound near death experience.

David sets himself up as an authority on these unusual abilities , but he is not and is speaking subjectively like we all do.

He is but one facet of the great diamond of truth

Take Care

Alan

Im curious as to why you think you have psychic abilities Alan...

You must know something the rest of the world doesnt.