Nicotine

just that nicotine may have something to do with what it is to be male.

Hi,

I have learned not to speculate too much on the health benefits of anything, so indeed nicotine may have some benefits for some people under some circumstances. All of which are unknown to me. But a couple of things:

1) It is now becoming more and more clear that the cigarette companies inject tons of harmful chemicals in the cigarettes (e.g. ammonia), and there may be an even larger source of the problems. By Googling this, more information can be found.

2) I personally don't think and sometimes that anyone is addicted to is healthy in the long term (forget about short term benefits which may or may not exist). Addition is very much energy draining, and I have never personally observed a personal addiction as leading to positive healthy results - this would include coffee, prescribed drugs, fatty Big Macs, chocolate, cigarettes or whatever.

I trust you will make healthy decisions for your own life. And if you don't I trust you understand the reasons.

Rich

Thanks Rich,
That's why I meantioned the body's immune system. I personally think there are many, many, many reasons for cancer and illness. I was not defending smoking in any respect. I was addressing nicotine, thc, opiates, etc. The fact that we kind of "lust" for whatever those plants offer isindicative of "something". The fact that they are abused it what is wrong. When you take into all the troubles of the mind in combination with those abuses, something has got to give and I think the body is what gives. That's why I just started a post on tantalization. The food we eat is also addictive. It is "designed" that way. Delicious in not what our tastebuds are designed for which I explained, or tried based on my perception. To be a little more concise, it is not alcohol that makes an alcoholic, it is the reason he drinks so much, that does. Eliminate that reason, so goes the desire to drink, as much. I think we can figure all that out. What is good for male and what is good for female. We have a lot to learn.

Thanks Rich,
William

You have atrial fibrillation, yet you somehow are under the delusion that your use of tobacco has nothing to do with it? What's that saying about the river in Egypt?

william, do you see that it is bad for women or just not good for them?

my grandmother, bless her heart, smoked one cigaret after another all her life, even in every single photo of her ever i have seen she is holding one in her hand. she too was never sick a day in her life and worked full time since she was 14 years old until a year or two before she died at the age of about 80 years old. and her death was spectacular-no illness. we were gathered together on christmas day and when she didnt arrive, my dad went to her house and she was lying dead on the kitchen floor.

i dont recall ever hearing that nicotine has any good in it. many people feel there is medicinal value in mj, but nicotine? no one ever thought of this before?

if i had been able to smoke without being addicted i might still be doing it. but i couldnt, and i didnt like the way it became my master. it seemed all i ever thought about was when can i have my next cigaret, where can i smoke it, now that the world has become nearly smoke-free. or i would not go places where i knew i couldnt smoke, not make friends with anyone who didnt smoke, etc...

I've been taking care of atrial fibrillation since my career began, it's common and there is plenty of understanding about what causes it. To say otherwise is ludicrous. Afib happens commonly in people who have developed COPD due to smoking, almost certainly due to right atrial stretch from progressive pulmonary hypertension. Furthermore, nicotine is a sympathomimetic stimulant, which can drive Afib or any other tachyarrhythmia (after all beta blockers are one of the main ways of controlling Afib).

Ok, now what about the Nile?

"Denial is not just a river in Egypt." Sorry, it's a snarky cliche, overused pun.

Because I thought it an example of denial to write a thread about the salubrious effects of nicotine while mentioning atrial fibrillation which at best is potentiated or exacerbated by it.

Aedes, the only way any one can charge one with denial is if all the facts are 100% KNOWN. Otherwise it is extremely offensive. I will agree, to an extent, "smoking" could exacerbate illness, so do fear, worry, stress, diet, smog, etc, etc, etc. I was making a supposition referring to nicotine, because it is so "habit forming" in that lust that we have for it once we imbibe it, perhaps there may be some medicinal value to it. That's all. For you to maliciously attack me saying I'm in denial is extremely egotisical since no one knows "100%". I was not trying to "insult" your intelligence; it is you are trying to insult mine and I do not appreciate it one bit, personally. I could care less about living until 90. I am grateful to see another sunrise. I do not impose my use of nicotine on others. It gives me enjoyment, personally. Now if some one gives me an alternative that does not sacrifice that enjoyment, I'm all for it. But to effort to beat me up, because I do is, wrong medicine, very wrong medicine. It's the same as a preacher telling his flock if you do this you will probably go to hell. That's the implication. I don't live by anybody else's rules. I will not be ruled in any respect. It is perfectly ok for you to offer a suggestion based on your knowledge, fine. Most doctors do that now because there is so very little they know about the person or all the many variants that "could" cause their ailments, to be definitive, which charging me with denial does.
When you know 100%, even then I will make the final decision determined how much pain is involved in the cure. Perhaps one day we will find altermatives to smoking that don't cause anguish, sacrifice of suffering. But to institute guilt by accusing them of denial is not one of them

William

Aedes, the only way any one can charge one with denial is if all the facts are 100% KNOWN. Otherwise it is extremely offensive. I will agree, to an extent, "smoking" could exacerbate illness, so do fear, worry, stress, diet, smog, etc, etc, etc. I was making a supposition referring to nicotine, because it is so "habit forming" in that lust that we have for it once we imbibe it, perhaps there may be some medicinal value to it. That's all. For you to maliciously attack me saying I'm in denial is extremely egotisical since no one knows "100%". I was not trying to "insult" your intelligence; it is you are trying to insult mine and I do not appreciate it one bit, personally. I could care less about living until 90. I am grateful to see another sunrise. I do not impose my use of nicotine on others. It gives me enjoyment, personally. Now if some one gives me an alternative that does not sacrifice that enjoyment, I'm all for it. But to effort to beat me up, because I do is, wrong medicine, very wrong medicine. It's the same as a preacher telling his flock if you do this you will probably go to hell. That's the implication. I don't live by anybody else's rules. I will not be ruled in any respect. It is perfectly ok for you to offer a suggestion based on your knowledge, fine. Most doctors do that now because there is so very little they know about the person or all the many variants that "could" cause their ailments, to be definitive, which charging me with denial does.
When you know 100%, even then I will make the final decision determined how much pain is involved in the cure. Perhaps one day we will find altermatives to smoking that don't cause anguish, sacrifice of suffering. But to institute guilt by accusing them of denial is not one of them

William