@salima,
jeeprs wrote:So is this why there is no documentation or footnotes for any of these claims? I mean I would be astonished to know that Wall Street funded communism or nazism. Are there any references for this, or has it something that has been carefully concealed by the mainstream media all this century? Are there any texts on it? And is this why you don't write to convince anyone save those who understand it already?
As I said, my intention in this thread was not to debate whether or not the theory I briefly presented is correct. That would be an enormous debate. Hence, I addressed my post primarily to those who understand what I'm talking about. However, as always, I welcome criticism. I won't at the moment go into great detail myself, but I will point you toward the sort of evidence you've rightly said I failed to provide. See the following sources for the connection between high finance and collectivism:
-Sutton, Anton.
Wallstreet and the Rise of Hitler. Available on scribd
-Sutton, Antony.
Wallstreet and FDR. Available on scribd
-Sutton, Antony.
Wallstreet and the Bolshevik Revolution. Available on scribd
(all are accounts based strictly the memoirs of people involved in the events, archival documents from various nations, etc.: i.e. not speculation or 'conspiracy theories')
-House, Edward Mandel.
Phillip Dru: Administrator. Available on scribd
-The collected papers of Edward Mandel House, available in different publications and forms
('Colonel' House was by all accounts the leading influence in the Wilson administration and at the same time a known agent and representative of British (and presumably American) finance)
-Wells H.G.
The Open Conspiracy. Available on scribd
(fiction or theorizing of course, but fiction or theorizing written by a man very close to the ruling class, and very much in tune with the spirit of the age; and of course the 'strange coincidences' between present reality and what he wrote are strange indeed)
-transcripts of
The Reese Committee Hearings on Tax Exempt Foundations, esp. the testimony of Norman Dodd (1953), available on scribd
-An Interview with Normal Dodd, conducted by G.E. Griffin in the 1980's, available on googlevideo or youtube
(If you don't find yourself interested enough to read through any of the other sources, watch this)
-Quigley, Carroll.
The Anglo-American Establishment. Available on scribd
(an excruciatingly dry read, I'd recommend finding a synopsis somewhere)
-Griffin, G.E.
The Creature from Jekyll Island: a second look at the federal reserve.
(if you read no other sources, read this one, especially the first few chapters re the origin of the Fed)
Didymos Thomas wrote:You post Bob Dylan lyrics after commending Glenn Beck, who is one of the most repulsive talking heads around?
BrightNoon, I dig ya, man, but that's blasphemous.
Sorry, my friend, Glenn Beck is not getting the message out - he's spreading hate and fear. And you know how I feel about large corporations. Beck, even more so than a mention of Jackson in an earlier thread, is the last person to be cited. Beck is part of the big money push. He's a cog in the wheel you so despise. He's part of the misinformation cog, which is the most vital part of that malign machine.
I agree completely. Beck is a shill, and I said so in my post. If he weren't he never would've made it to prime time FOX, or anywhere remotely visible. That's not the point. I don't know the mind of old Rupert, but I do watch Beck every weekday and I personally can attest to the fact that he is speaking far more truth than any other talking head. Why, if he's a shill? As I said, perhaps this is clever propaganda. Perhaps he is speaking just enough to entice the partially awake viewer to follow him toward a straw man: probably. But I think some truth presented with such ill-intentions is better than none at all. Again, I don't like the man, I love the message. Have you ever watched Beck? Between his antics and right-lef comments (which are very rare compared to most FOX-MSNBC-CNN critters) he actually states a great deal of important FACT regarding the authoritian, collectivist tendencies of our leaders, and most importantly exposes part of the real government: i.e. the various NGO's, funded by the ultra-rich. As for Zimmy, I posted his song in reference to the growing awakening of the American people to those Facts and what it may mean for this country, not in reference to Beck. That indeed would be blasphemous.
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EmperorNero wrote:I'm pretty surer we tried to print money and lower the federal interest rate, which is "uniformly regarded" as what caused the recession to become the great depression.
As for entitlements, just abolish the welfare state. I agree on military getting out of the pockets of congress. As for health care, when was the last time when eliminating competition caused a drop in prices?
No, the Fed did the opposite actually. They tightened credit. But why did that facilitate the depression? Because the Fed had created the credit bubbles of the twenties in the first place! Moreover, the idea that we have to fight deflation now, as we failed to do in the early years of the depression, is totally insane; deflation is no longer possible. In the early years of the depression we had a gold standard. With irredeemable currency on the other hand true deflation is not possible.
The government's other actions, i.e. make-work, price controls, etc. did however tragically prolong the depression by preventing the creative destruction, the purging of inefficiency, which is the only cure for a system rife with inefficiency. And why was there so much inefficiency? Misallocation of resources is always of result of artifical manipulation of credit and interest rates. Today, the government is doing the same thing. As FDR responded to falling crop prices (and angry farmers) by ordering the destruction of crops, so our government is responding to the collapse of housing prices by keeping supply low (offering subsidized refinancing for distressed mortgages, allowing banks to mark-to-fanstasy and so that they can delay foreclosures, etc.); and what we're doing now will fail for the same reason. Reality doesn't give a damn what we think prices ought to be. There is a natural price based on supply and demand, and until that price is reached, nothing but government intervention (printed or borrowed money) can keep those prices up at the 'right' level. Every dollar spent in this manner (trying to make reality agree with our vision of the reality we would like) is a dollar wasted, and a dollar drawn from other, more productive endeavors, and, in the world today, a dollar borrowed on which interets will be payed, several times at different levels, and in the shorter term, a dollar taken directly out of the pocket of the people through inflation. Shameful.
