Dasein
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2010 07:39 pm
@north,
Speak for yourself. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

Mind doesn't exist no matter how hard you fight for the right to have one.
north
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2010 07:48 pm

the mind is about the drawing in of information , and consistent

who doesn't agree that a pine is a pine tree , in and of its self
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JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2010 08:01 pm
@Dasein,
Thank-you.
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montezumamonti
 
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Reply Sun 28 Nov, 2010 10:34 pm
@xris,
salt or pepper?
black or white?
gay or straight?
savior or the cause of earth's end?

why choose one when you can be both?

we have all done good and bad and the effects of our actions have caused good and bad to ensue, but which will win? well a hundred years ago people did good and bad things and here we are living with what they have left us.

I would say some people are living good lives while others are not so lucky.

it is mixed and i think always will be.
is the end of the world good or bad?
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silverlight
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 08:19 pm
is there such a thing as nothing?
if we name something does that mean it cant be nothing?
ties into each other
Dasein
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 10:53 am
@silverlight,
Originally 'no' and 'thing' were seperate from each other, as in "you are no thing" (not a thing). Somewhere along the line 'no' 'thing' became 'nothing' and 'no' 'thing' became a 'thing' called 'nothing'.

Since you are not a thing called 'nothing', we all took for granted that we must be a 'thing'. The end result is that for over 2500 years we have been trying to prove that who you are is a 'thing'.

Who you are is not a 'thing'. Who you are is Be-ing. Even when you try to prove to the world that your Be-ing a 'thing', you're still Be-ing.
sahaja yoda
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2010 06:57 pm
@CarolA,
to love and learn the ways of cosmic harmony
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sahaja yoda
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2010 07:04 pm
@TickTockMan,
love and learning the ways of cosmic harmony is the purpose of reincarnation.. organized religion is mass brain wash.. especially western religions.. ie christianity mainly.. jesus existed.. but the truth is Christ's teachings are more Eastern than the Churches would have us believe or would like to admit.. check out sahajayoga.org..
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Joshua Davis
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2010 07:47 pm
Does a dog have Buddha nature?
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LXV
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2010 10:42 pm
@CarolA,
we are simply here. we are here, our only thought should be in the concern of enjoying what is here, and these question are simply something that many of us enjoy. ultimately we exist to enjoy and pleasure those around us, those of us who seem intent on causing displeasure are here to create a contrast so that we may better enjoy the pleasure, like asking a man who has spent his life in darkness to recognize light.
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seashell
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2010 10:59 pm
How can one understand the concept of infinity? Everything we know about in the world has a beginning and an end, a finite place in time and space. It is said that space is infinite. How can we reconcile the infinite with the finite?
wayne
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 02:57 am
@seashell,
seashell wrote:

How can one understand the concept of infinity? Everything we know about in the world has a beginning and an end, a finite place in time and space. It is said that space is infinite. How can we reconcile the infinite with the finite?


I think we can understand the concept of infinity quite easily, the problems arise with encompassing infinity itself.
We, of course, are finite of mind and body. The infinite encompasses the finite. We, as finite beings, have limits. The answer lies in accepting the limitations of our finite mind.
The very nature of infinity is that it lacks definition and dimension.
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silverlight
 
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Reply Thu 23 Dec, 2010 09:34 pm
@Dasein,
so that would mean that anything we name is a thing because of the way we think
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north
 
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Reply Thu 23 Dec, 2010 09:56 pm
@Dasein,
Dasein wrote:

Speak for yourself. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

Mind doesn't exist no matter how hard you fight for the right to have one.


but it does

the mind is the culmination of all the faculties of the brain together to work as a whole

the mind is the coordination of the faculties

Fido
 
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Reply Thu 23 Dec, 2010 10:05 pm
@north,
north wrote:

Dasein wrote:

Speak for yourself. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

Mind doesn't exist no matter how hard you fight for the right to have one.


but it does

the mind is the culmination of all the faculties of the brain together to work as a whole


The mind is a moral form that exists only as concept, as a means of expressing some meaning or other in regard to an individual... Try to understand: just because reality can be conceived does not mean every conception people contrive by way of explaining reality has a coherent reality associated with it... Some forms are physical forms and some are only moral forms, and the moral forms are all meaning without being, and the physical forms are the meaning of a certain being...
north
 
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Reply Thu 23 Dec, 2010 10:20 pm
@Fido,
Fido wrote:

north wrote:

Dasein wrote:

Speak for yourself. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

Mind doesn't exist no matter how hard you fight for the right to have one.


but it does

the mind is the culmination of all the faculties of the brain together to work as a whole


The mind is a moral form that exists only as concept, as a means of expressing some meaning or other in regard to an individual... Try to understand: just because reality can be conceived does not mean every conception people contrive by way of explaining reality has a coherent reality associated with it... Some forms are physical forms and some are only moral forms, and the moral forms are all meaning without being, and the physical forms are the meaning of a certain being...


the mind is the culmination and then the coordination of the faculties of the brain , hence expression of thinking or thought , and therefore possible action(s)

the mind is not strictly based on morality
Fido
 
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Reply Thu 23 Dec, 2010 10:44 pm
@north,
north wrote:

Fido wrote:

north wrote:

Dasein wrote:

Speak for yourself. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

Mind doesn't exist no matter how hard you fight for the right to have one.


but it does

the mind is the culmination of all the faculties of the brain together to work as a whole


The mind is a moral form that exists only as concept, as a means of expressing some meaning or other in regard to an individual... Try to understand: just because reality can be conceived does not mean every conception people contrive by way of explaining reality has a coherent reality associated with it... Some forms are physical forms and some are only moral forms, and the moral forms are all meaning without being, and the physical forms are the meaning of a certain being...


the mind is the culmination and then the coordination of the faculties of the brain , hence expression of thinking or thought , and therefore possible action(s)

the mind is not strictly based on morality

To call something a moral form does not mean it is directly relatable to morality even though morals are a moral form... Consider the distinction made in consideration of the health of an army... One first looks at the physic, which is the physical condition of the unit; and then at the morale, which is the spiritual condition, the esprit de corp... Some forms/concepts are purely spiritual in nature, and they represent a certain meaning rather than a specific being... We can talk, for example, of liberty, or justice as moral forms; but no such physical thing as a liberty or a justice can be produced... The same is true of mind, or for that matter, of parts of the mind like Ego, Id, or Super Ego... One may as well talk of air, except that we give a certain meaning to mind that we do not give to air...
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 24 Dec, 2010 12:42 am
@Fido,
Quote:
To call something a moral form does not mean it is directly relatable to morality even though morals are a moral form... Consider the distinction made in consideration of the health of an army... One first looks at the physic, which is the physical condition of the unit; and then at the morale, which is the spiritual condition, the esprit de corp... Some forms/concepts are purely spiritual in nature, and they represent a certain meaning rather than a specific being... We can talk, for example, of liberty, or justice as moral forms; but no such physical thing as a liberty or a justice can be produced... The same is true of mind, or for that matter, of parts of the mind like Ego, Id, or Super Ego... One may as well talk of air, except that we give a certain meaning to mind that we do not give to air...


What is it to distinguish meaning as something with no being ??? What does that even mean ???
....and what about "matter" ? Is it matter what ? "Solid" ? Palpable ? What then ??? Does it not have meaning ? Is n´t meaning also "palpable" ?
Why oh why are you so attached to the "matter" of some definitions from which you cannot get out of ??? Ironic is n´t it ?

...Moral forms are measured through relation...as matter is...as everything else, god dam it !!! In fact what in the hell is n´t measured through relation ???
Moral forms are a "codice" of Nature as it is...Rightful because there is no other and because there´s something rather then nothing...it could n´t get simpler Fido, honestly !....
Fido
 
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Reply Fri 24 Dec, 2010 05:27 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

Quote:
To call something a moral form does not mean it is directly relatable to morality even though morals are a moral form... Consider the distinction made in consideration of the health of an army... One first looks at the physic, which is the physical condition of the unit; and then at the morale, which is the spiritual condition, the esprit de corp... Some forms/concepts are purely spiritual in nature, and they represent a certain meaning rather than a specific being... We can talk, for example, of liberty, or justice as moral forms; but no such physical thing as a liberty or a justice can be produced... The same is true of mind, or for that matter, of parts of the mind like Ego, Id, or Super Ego... One may as well talk of air, except that we give a certain meaning to mind that we do not give to air...


What is it to distinguish meaning as something with no being ??? What does that even mean ???
....and what about "matter" ? Is it matter what ? "Solid" ? Palpable ? What then ??? Does it not have meaning ? Is n´t meaning also "palpable" ?
Why oh why are you so attached to the "matter" of some definitions from which you cannot get out of ??? Ironic is n´t it ?

...Moral forms are measured through relation...as matter is...as everything else, god dam it !!! In fact what in the hell is n´t measured through relation ???
Moral forms are a "codice" of Nature as it is...Rightful because there is no other and because there´s something rather then nothing...it could n´t get simpler Fido, honestly !....

Let me start at the beginning... You do know what a form is, and you do has some theory of forms to help you relate perception to experience??? Forms are the same as ideas or concepts or notions... A number is a concept, for example... If you saw a herd of cattle in a field, or deer; without number as a concept you would be not be able to relate a key concept of the ezperience to self, to memory, or to others... Nor could you do so without the concepts of cattle, or field or time... But these, excepting time are purely physical forms as time is for the most part since our understanding of it is related to other physical events, like sun rise and sun set.... But, though all forms have their moral aspect, which is to say they receive their meaning from us, and value; they are still coherent with a fixed reality, a physical reality... Moral forms have their entire meaning as the meaning we give them... If you are willing to die for liberty you give liberty as a quasi concept as high value... Other than that, it is just a word, a form without a physical substance to represent...
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2010 08:12 am
@Fido,
Yeah...I was expecting that Fido...
...but the heart of the matter, is that "Matter" it is also a form, it is is function, its context...as for meaning, Meaning it is the substance in the word, its matter again...the function in the relation...things are a bit more trickier then that...as forms give rise to new substances and new substances instantiate new forms of relation, who knows, in an infinite chain...

Merry Christmas to you with lots of meaning Fido !
Best Regards>FILIPE DE ALBUQUERQUE
 

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