@astrotheological,
iconoclast wrote:The year 1632, but it didn't happen. We went down the wrong path, and now we're ***NO SWEARING***! We subjected science to the fantastic ideas upholding the religious hierarchy of the time - called science shameful and made truth a sin, and so have used science as a tool - and ignored it as a rule ever since. We failed to recognize the huge value of being able to establish valid knowledge of reality, and decided to live in relation to fairy-tale myths of how things are. And so we live at odds with reality - 7 billion of us, all dreaming the dream of God in heaven, nation state and limitless capitalist wealth - killing eachother over fairy tales, lines drawn in the sand, while stripping the world bare of that which sustains us. I think it's too late now to avoid the unhappy ending where everyone dies. The only question is which of the monsters we've created will get us? The energy crisis between nations armed with nuclear weapons? Climate change?
First of all, no need at all for the barracks language and it was edited. This isn't a sailors forum it's a philosophy forum. Take it easy with the language and consider that someday your great grand children will be reading this.
Icono, that's one way to look at it. Keep in mind we can all have a look at the same apple and yet we'd describe it differently. You describe it from your own perception of it. It's going to reflect back that which you reflect into. The thing is, each of us have an autonomous view of life... Our own Philosophy! Our philosophy, which could be considered the "Sum of what we know" and our knowing expressed in our physical reality.
There's a lot going on in this world and it sort of all leads to the topic of this thread as much of the world is under the impression of a God or deity beyond and far-off. They come in all shapes and sizes and can even heal. My point is that man has created the existence of God therefore why could he not live without God?
As for the the time when man will be ready to live without the existence of a God is when man discovers that existence within himself and all creation.
The difficulty in this is the understanding of the greatest unknown questions of all time and all the time we're seeking answers in something other than where that answer will be found. We interpret our being as something we must cloth, shave, create, sell, show which is the physical perception of who we are. When man discovers that the divine light of God and universal creation shines within each and every man and we are not prodigal sons, we just are.
Man, over many of years has continually grown and evolved and has gone through changes through the ages. In each age and each stage of life man's come closer to the all knowing of a God but continues to idolize myth and tradition which separates man from God and man from man. I think that man will eventually come to discover that we've placed our identity in our ego and not within ourselves.
Until man transcends the physical world into the spiritual world that man is, man will need the myth of a God partly to take the blame off of each man as he creates his world.
Back to Iconoclast - if you and I see the world as a dismal place it will return our reflection back to us. Our perception of our every day and our here and now, can only go together as we see it fit and no other way. Everything outside of man will rearrange itself to fit the perception of the man who thinks. This goes into the fundamentals of positive thinking and attitude. Thoughts are things. There is nothing created without thought first and we are in full control to the extent of our knowing we are in full control.
iconoclast wrote:Richardgrant,
How's the weather? It's *** BAD WORD*** lousy here. Pyssed it down all summer long. If it was 70 degrees all the bluddy time, and I lived five minuets from the beach I'd flatter myself that the world was a reflection of my consciouness aswell. Mind you, looking out on the grey filth of the rain soaked streets of London - maybe it is! If only my ancestors had been less upstanding!!
One can find peace in the middle of a storm. One can find happiness confined to life in a jail cell. One can find positive things in the world if he or she chooses.
When man rises past the blaming of things of the physical world for all that is wrong with the man, and instead fixes those thoughts that bring bring it all into physical reality, then man can live without the deity of a fictitious God. Until then, we have someone or something to blame and we can have some faith that eventually God will sort it out. God will sort it out when man sorts it out. Until that time, the blind man will just keep blaming God, worshiping God and having faith.
