@GoshisDead,
GoshisDead wrote:Where does your moral will come from? Its not like we were really born with much more than instincts and general inclinations for this or that. By the time a person even understand that there is such a top level conscious function as introspection, one's moral will has been formed for the most part by his/her surroundings.
GoshisDead wrote:All of which surroundings are parts of institutionalized moral building structures interlocking with each other to help a person form an identity and an ideology.
Moral building structures are not in place to help people have unique, individual identities and/or ideologies. They are there simply out of efficiency/uniformity... well a direct method of efficiency anyways. It is illogical to assume moral building is communal rather than egocentric. Perhaps spirituality needs to stipulate an enlightened self interest approach?
GoshisDead wrote:The Majority of the moral will has been formed (assuming we are talking about noun will and not the verb will). Introspection inspects these things internally of course. Introspection does not change these things if one feels the need to change them it is often introduced from other outside stimulative forces.
Yes, the justice behind acting upon one's introspect is certainly important.
GoshisDead wrote:How many original ideas does a person really have. .
Well, either zero or plenty.
GoshisDead wrote:however there is no way once a person has introspected, chosen what is right for them, that s/he cannot telegraph this choice in most every action committed..
This seems so counterintuitive to my common sense that I'm afraid I don't know what you mean here. Sure you could act.
GoshisDead wrote: In Grouping is a natural phenomenon that huamns need. If it weren't it wouldn't be "The Norm". In what way is a person that has joined a particular sect not spiritual? The desire to be part of a like thinking group and spirituality are not related. I desired to be a part of a Judo Club and the Toast Masters...
Grouping is efficiency, perhaps evolution adapts to the added virtue we get from reciprocity and humility.
GoshisDead wrote: Also there the problem of assuming that people in an esablished religion have been duped, brainwashed, or at the very least never have (rationally introspected). ...
No, not brainwashed. Just latent introspect.
GoshisDead wrote: It is pure naivete to assume that striving for a transcendental goal, whatever it may be is 1) not spiritual, 2) irrational and 3) without constant internal dialogue between the empirical world and the subjective transcendental world....
I completely agree! I'm all for spirituality.
GoshisDead wrote: This i agree with very much with minor adendums.
Unique spiritual path: everyone has one, even in a highly organized religion.
Critical thought: People think critically all the time, it just happens that with the hyper technological state of the world, it is applied critical thought.
GoshisDead wrote:Our very modern system of society is based on the influence of the many over the few. When i vote I am in effect attempting to impose my will over those with whom I disagree. There is no communal existence without the implication of leverage. Human social structure ends up being a pack mentality. Every group of friends has a hierarchy. Every person by simply having an opinion differing from another's is expressing "my opinion is bettere than yours, because it is my opinion" .
Well that sucks.
GoshisDead wrote:In essence what I am trying to get at here is that uniformity and group membership is natural but almost an illusion, as mo matter what everyone is always on their own unique path.
Oh I agree with you there.