@GoshisDead,
GoshisDead wrote:Really, tell me one thing that you think or do that does not influence other people. Tell me that other organizations and institutions do not influence you, many of which imposed by law.
Yes I understand this, just like there can be no purely closed system, but while they influence your physical will, why should they directly influence the majority of your moral will? Introspection should question it's own conservations and the external established ones without the hindrance or bias of normative influences. Communal I suppose is not the right word.
GoshisDead wrote:Introspection is an action denoting inspection of oneself, in no way does introspection imply that by preforming it that it will have no effect on others. Anything that has profound effect on you will automatically have influence on others within your sphere of influence.
To what extent should it influence others is perhaps what separates what I mean by religion vs. spirituality. A man's spirit should not be bargained for. If all of one's decisions revolve around the norm, because one desires to be part of the norm, I have to question what kind of spirituality this is.
GoshisDead wrote:Just the title of the thread "Why did man create religion" stigmatizes religion as many believe it to be and is a not so subtle way of evangelizing anti-religion.
I don't want to evangelize anti-religion. I just question the motive of searching for such transcendental realities. How many people do you suppose are christian, jewish, islam, hindu, atheist, or agnostic just because their surrounding influences are? This is not spiritual, well... not likely anyways. Has any introspect actually been done?
Secularism has the same problem as theism. To me, everybody would if using introspect, govern themselves on a rather unique spiritual path. There would hardly be a norm, right? Yet you could still have a community, a community needs to get along with spiritual diversity, otherwise why degrade the word to such a group of people. The rise in secularism is probably due to the fact leisure time used for introspective matters, even thinking, critical thought in general, is in decline in western society. So we get this rising atheist/agnostic trend. Atheists are just mad at everybody, yet the apathy, and conformity is inherently the same as in an evangelically influence society. (This is why I loath the adds for atheism, because it's not about picking a side. There are no sides, no winner or loser. There is just the result of one's spirit, which should have no leverage on others or done by others, in the non-communal sense. They (the intrinsic effect of advertisement) make people adverse to spirituality.
So the uniformity, to me, speaks as religious mindsets, not spiritual ones. I don't know how to explain the difference I see between the two better than that.
GoshisDead wrote:Who is to say that religion was created by man? Isn't it possible that it was divinly instituted? who is to say "God/s" doesn't want an institutionalized religion run with Swiss watch accuracy and German auto engineering? Who is to say that the tendency to be religious wasn't placed in us to drive us towards it?
I could buy it as an adaptation to move us to a greater "efficiency" as a species, religion that is. Spirituality, no.