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Quotes that You disagree with.

 
 
Victor Eremita
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2009 04:20 pm
@Holiday20310401,
"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

I disagree with this. I won't die for your stupidity.
EmperorNero
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2009 03:27 am
@Victor Eremita,
Victor Eremita;58518 wrote:
"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

I disagree with this. I won't die for your stupidity.


Oh, come on, you can't say that. :flowers:
I'm not agreeing with the dying part either, but you get the main message of the quote, right?
It's supposed to be liberalism.
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 09:39 pm
@Aedes,
Aedes wrote:
The common cliche "Everything happens for a reason." I think it's a rationalization to help people cope with bad things. Nothing happens for a reason unless we give a reason to it ourselves.



It isn't true that everything happens for a reason, although it may be true that everything happens for a cause. If there is an earthquake, there is a cause for the earthquake, but what makes anyone think there is a reason for the earthquake. Who would have such a reason, and if he did, how could the person cause the earthquake. No one is able to cause an earthquake that I have ever heard of.
Icon
 
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Reply Mon 20 Apr, 2009 11:19 am
@Holiday20310401,
"That which you love becomes a vice and that which is duty because a virtue"

~Unknown. Heard it long time ago when I was a child. Sunds a bit like Churchill though.

This is still obnoxious. If everythin I loved was a vice and duty a virtue, I would be vice ridden with no virtues for I have no sense of duty, only a sense of cause and effect. I go to work 'Cause I don't like the effect of being without money.
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avatar6v7
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 06:12 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy wrote:
It isn't true that everything happens for a reason, although it may be true that everything happens for a cause. If there is an earthquake, there is a cause for the earthquake, but what makes anyone think there is a reason for the earthquake. Who would have such a reason, and if he did, how could the person cause the earthquake. No one is able to cause an earthquake that I have ever heard of.

This all rather misses the point- the question is not 'what caused the earthquake?' or even 'why do earthquakes happen?' but rather 'why do people die?'- and that is a question worth asking.
captn sensible
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 04:03 am
@Holiday20310401,
Holiday20310401;17689 wrote:
Have you ever heard a quote that you thought made no sense or just plain out sucks because you feel otherwise, contradiction to the quote. If so please share:D

[INDENT]somebody wrote in a discussion about Bruce Lipton v Richard Dawkins views: Perceptions are not beliefs. Arguably, beliefs derive from perceptions. They are not one in the same.
[/INDENT]

Arguably is a nice word to use when you're not sure.
I'm not sure if beliefs derive from perceptions but in practice they usually result in the same thing.

Don't brain wave appear the same when a man looks at a picture of a naked woman as when he imagines a naked woman?
Both ways his ******** believes he saw a naked woman...

How come conservative, atheist, scientists believe in the placebo effect? Isn't that all about physical cures from belief they took the right tablet?

Have I missed somethin' here....? http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_ask.gif
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ughaibu
 
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Reply Wed 24 Feb, 2010 04:03 am
@Holiday20310401,
Why do Americans say "I could care less" when they mean 'I couldn't care less'?
kennethamy
 
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Reply Wed 24 Feb, 2010 07:43 am
@ughaibu,
ughaibu;131797 wrote:
Why do Americans say "I could care less" when they mean 'I couldn't care less'?


Because they mean the latter by the former. By some strange twist of fate.

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captn sensible;61366 wrote:
[INDENT]somebody wrote in a discussion about Bruce Lipton v Richard Dawkins views: Perceptions are not beliefs. Arguably, beliefs derive from perceptions. They are not one in the same.
[/INDENT]Arguably is a nice word to use when you're not sure.
I'm not sure if beliefs derive from perceptions but in practice they usually result in the same thing.

Don't brain wave appear the same when a man looks at a picture of a naked woman as when he imagines a naked woman?
Both ways his ******** believes he saw a naked woman...

How come conservative, atheist, scientists believe in the placebo effect? Isn't that all about physical cures from belief they took the right tablet?

Have I missed somethin' here....? http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_ask.gif


Yes, "arguably" is what is called a "weasel word". I guess it means, "it could be argued that....", but holds off on whether such an argument would be even plausible, let alone correct.

I suppose that to believe in the placebo effect just means, believing that there is such a thing as a placebo effect.Not, as you seem to think, that it is a good thing.

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avatar6v7;59363 wrote:
This all rather misses the point- the question is not 'what caused the earthquake?' or even 'why do earthquakes happen?' but rather 'why do people die?'- and that is a question worth asking.


You mean that we don't know why people die in an earthquake? It is because stuff falls on them, among other things. Why is that question worth asking? We all know the answer.

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Zetherin;53805 wrote:
But that's not what people are seeking when they say "Everything happens for a reason". If someone's daughter just got impaled by a javelin, the family isn't looking for me to explain how gravity and momentum worked to drive the javelin into her chest, piercing her lungs. Of course they probably understand the logicality behind it. No, they seek something more: meaning, the why behind the how. This is how the quote is predominantly used, a justification for an event.

I see you made your edit, I think you get it.


Yes, you are right. It is just assumed that there is some intentional explanation for every event over and above the causal explanation. It is, of course, a questionable assumption.
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Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2010 01:59 am
@avatar6v7,
avatar6v7;59363 wrote:
This all rather misses the point- the question is not 'what caused the earthquake?' or even 'why do earthquakes happen?' but rather 'why do people die?'- and that is a question worth asking.


Why do people get born?

My other favourites:

Very Happy Yes, we can !

:nonooo: It's the economy, stupid

:listening: I 'll lead u 2 the promised land

PS AMS
Pyrrho
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2010 04:34 pm
@ughaibu,
ughaibu;131797 wrote:
Why do Americans say "I could care less" when they mean 'I couldn't care less'?


I believe it is the result of parroting a phrase that has been heard, and getting it wrong. Then, of course, once people have gotten it wrong, those repeating it are repeating what they have heard, and are using it as it was intended by their "teacher".

That has always bothered me, too. But you should be careful in your attribution of such a mistake to Americans, as I am an American, and I never say "I could care less" when I mean "I couldn't care less," and I am not the only American who does not use "I could care less".

For more on this, see:

World Wide Words: I could care less
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2010 04:40 pm
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;132724 wrote:
Why do people get born?

My other favourites:

Very Happy Yes, we can !

:nonooo: It's the economy, stupid

:listening: I 'll lead u 2 the promised land

PS AMS


Hope and change

This is a teachable moment.

This is a defining moment

(I am never sure whether the defining moments and teachable moments are the same moments, but there are a hell of a lot of them!)
Pyrrho
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2010 04:51 pm
@Holiday20310401,
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

If you need to know why that is bullshit, read Plato's Republic. Not everyone avoids doing wrong from a fear of being punished. No really good person has that as their sole motive of being good.

The "grain of truth" in the idea is that having power may unmask immorality that is there, but that is not the same at all as it causing the person to be immoral. In other words, power does not corrupt, but it does reveal corruption that was hidden previously (if there was hidden corruption). So the saying is really just wrong.

And for the pedants who are reading this, I am aware that the above popular saying is not the original thing written by Lord Acton, which is also false:

Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely

John Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
kennethamy
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2010 05:16 pm
@Pyrrho,
Pyrrho;136123 wrote:
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

If you need to know why that is bullshit, read Plato's Republic. Not everyone avoids doing wrong from a fear of being punished. No really good person has that as their sole motive of being good.

The "grain of truth" in the idea is that having power may unmask immorality that is there, but that is not the same at all as it causing the person to be immoral. In other words, power does not corrupt, but it does reveal corruption that was hidden previously (if there was hidden corruption). So the saying is really just wrong.

And for the pedants who are reading this, I am aware that the above popular saying is not the original thing written by Lord Acton, which is also false:

Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely

John Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I need some explanation of why the Acton sentiment is connected with the notion that people are good from the fear of punishment. I don't think either Plato or Socrates held that. Socrates presented the Gyges Ring analogy to illustrate that view. But I don't see the connection with what Acton is reputed to have said.
fast
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2010 05:19 pm
@Holiday20310401,
"If you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about."
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Pyrrho
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2010 05:39 pm
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;136135 wrote:
I need some explanation of why the Acton sentiment is connected with the notion that people are good from the fear of punishment. I don't think either Plato or Socrates held that. Socrates presented the Gyges Ring analogy to illustrate that view. But I don't see the connection with what Acton is reputed to have said.


The Ring of Gyges illustrates the idea of what one would do if one had absolute power, or at least very much power. Glaucon brings up the story in Book II of the Republic, in an effort to argue in favor of something like Acton's statement, that having such power would corrupt even the best man. According to Glaucon's argument, it is only because people cannot get away with doing wrong that they are good; it is that they lack the power to act with impunity, and fear what others will do to them if they do wrong (e.g., on this view, people do not murder other people they don't like only because they are afraid of punishment for doing it). However, according to Plato/Socrates, a good man would still be good if he had such a ring; it is only bad people, who have been acting good, because they cannot get away with acting bad, whose actions would be changed from good to bad by having such a ring. The argument Plato/Socrates gives has to do with the idea that being a bad man is bad for the bad man, which I will not presently repeat now. I am agreeing with Plato/Socrates. Having power does not corrupt. Having power only reveals corruption that was already present.

If there is anything unclear about this, please ask again, and please try to ask questions that are as specific as you can.
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Leonard
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2010 07:00 pm
@Holiday20310401,
"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." -Napoleon Bonaparte

On the contrary, people seem more willing to fight for or against something when their religion is called into question.
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mister kitten
 
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Reply Sun 7 Mar, 2010 01:50 pm
@Holiday20310401,
"Necessity is the mother of invention."

I disagree in some respects. Guns are not necessary at all, but they were invented.
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Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Sun 28 Mar, 2010 11:53 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;136118 wrote:


Hope and change > YES, WE CAN...Please:lol:

This is a teachable moment.

This is a defining moment

(I am never sure whether the defining moments and teachable moments are the same moments, but there are a hell of a lot of them!)


All elements for a paradigma - shift are/will be there

My first quote was: Why we get born ? Does every child have a fair change in this world of ours ?

Kindness 2 All
Pepijn Sweep[/COLOR]
:a-thought:[/SIZE]:Glasses:
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chopkins
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 02:25 pm
@Holiday20310401,
not necessarily philosophic, but i heard it on the daily show the other night during the moment of zen, courtesy of fox news...

"how do you get a volcano in iceland? isnt it too cold there to have a volcano?"

just kinda makes you /facepalm
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 02:41 pm
@Holiday20310401,
'The real is the rational, and the rational is the real" Hegel. Only it is not that I disagree with it. I think it makes no sense. I think that we should have a category of quotes that simply make not sense, so that you cannot agree or disagree with them.
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