God, Faust, And The Wonderful Mephistopheles

Even more interesting is that with freewill mankind can choose to rebel against god which only proves his limitations in that he is not so omnipotent as he leads his followers to believe.

Did god create evil?

It would seem to me that god had every opportunity of saving or stopping the fallen angels and lucifer in the inception of evil but instead chosed to do nothing.

If god created evil and certain dualities in the universe it would seem only natural to act on them with ourselves being the children of creation.

Since god created evil I don't believe there is any real reason why we as people should not indulge ourselves in wickedness and let us be honest god indulged himself quite a bit in the old testament with the destruction of those he called heretics in a psychological egotistical manner.

Even more interesting is that with freewill mankind can choose to rebel against god which only proves his limitations in that he is not so omnipotent as he leads his followers to believe.

...he is not so omnipotent as he leads his followers to believe

How is mans ability to rebel against God evidence of him not being omnipotent?

Well, that's a good question and one often asked. I believe there's a discussion on this forum of basically the same thing. So, did God create evil?... Hmmm... wouldn't this question be impossible to answer without knowing ones perception of God to begin with?

Is God a greater deity or is God the very essence of life? Is God someone to fear or is God the ether in which all is created? Everyone perceives God in a different way so that's a tough nut to crack.

Is your perception to believe you are a child of creation? Couldn't evil be a creation of man? Does man co-create? Does man create? Are you creative?

Is this your understanding of God? That he is a being not connected with us that created Evil so that we may partake? What is your perception based on? Isn't your perception base on biblical information?

Are you absolutely certain that we aren't the ones creating the evil? I've never seen God himself down here creating Evil but see mankind doing it all the time... yet we blame this on the unforseen God?... whom we have to fear? Isn't it time for mankind to step up to the plate and take a look around to see just what we've created and stop placing the blame of this creation on somebody up there... called God?

God hasn't created this evil, MAN has. Man has also created their perception of God which has caused more evil than anything else. We blame something else for what we've created instead of owning up to our creation and fixing it within. When is man going to recognize what he himself creates everyday?

Rebelling against anything outside of yourself is actually only rebelling within yourself. Rebel against God you rebel yourself. Hurt another man and you're only hurting yourself. The limitations of man are the limitations he places on himself.
Who's leading God's followers? Doesn't man lead the followers to God? Have you ever seen God lead his followers or has the leading of God's followers been done by Man? Was it God that wrote the scriptures or was it man?

Good question. It creates a lot of other questions. If one is to believe that God is a separate entity and understand God as God has been described in the scriptures, then this could be a viable debate. However, it's based on individual perception.

So my perception of God wouldn't allow for God to create evil. Actually, I've never actually seen him do it. I do however see man doing it all time... is this God's fault? Good question... but depends on what you perceive God to be.

Those are my thoughts in general on the subject. On question leads into another which leads into another. Sorry I wasn't able to provide a more definitive answer on the subject. Look forward to reading others thoughts as well.

Well, that's a good question and one often asked. I believe there's a discussion on this forum of basically the same thing. So, did God create evil?... Hmmm... wouldn't this question be impossible to answer without knowing ones perception of God to begin with?

Is your perception to believe you are a child of creation?

Couldn't evil be a creation of man?

What is your perception based on? Isn't your perception base on biblical information?

Are you absolutely certain that we aren't the ones creating the evil?

I've never seen God himself down here creating Evil but see mankind doing it all the time...

If god is omnipotent why would he let his creation rebel?

If god is the source of man's rebellion in that god created evil there is no reason for god to judge man.

Why wouldn't he? Free choice is an extremely important aspect of faith. To give you an analogy: I would rather give my son the option to grow up and make horrible decisions than have him grow up with no autonomy. It is my utmost hope and I will do all I can to raise him to make good decisions, but all in all in the end the choice is up to him.

Perhaps God feels the same way. It seems to me that Love requires a free will. What would ones love for God mean if it was forced?



Who says that evil was created?

Who says that evil was created?

I think most of the difficulties here are rooted in the phrases that say something about God. For example, "God created" - what is it for God to create?

If he creates like I create a sculpture, then we're back where we started. But I'm not sure we can safely describe God or God's "actions" the way we do human action. Not only is God not human, God does not seem to exist as a cow exists, or my computer screen exists.

But what does it mean to say "God creates evil"?

Interesting claim, which we can discuss, but that doesn't really answer the question. What is it for God to create. You know what I mean if I say I created a painting. You understand that my brain transmitted certain messages to various parts of my body so that I would take some paint, brushes and canvas, and with those brushes, apply paint to the canvas.

But what do you mean when you say "God created evil"? How does God create?

Maybe this is jumping ahead, and we should stick to sorting out this creating matter, but I think we should also consider our subject, evil. Evil is not some physical property or some physical thing. If we say "God created evil" do we mean He somehow (as the means is the above question about creating) implants the concept of evil into the minds of men? Or do we mean He creates (whatever that means) some non-physical thing that exists in the universe which we humans sometimes try to identify as evil?

Maybe this is jumping ahead, and we should stick to sorting out this creating matter, but I think we should also consider our subject, evil. Evil is not some physical property or some physical thing. If we say "God created evil" do we mean He somehow (as the means is the above question about creating) implants the concept of evil into the minds of men?

Or do we mean He creates (whatever that means) some non-physical thing that exists in the universe which we humans sometimes try to identify as evil?

I don't see how it is relevant in how somthing is created so long as I know where it was created from.

Perhaps you can show me the relevance of such a thought.

According to religion god created lucifer and then tolerated lucifer's embracement of evil where lucifer implants evil in men.

Why does it matter? Either way he created it and now we all suffer.

What do you mean by "created"? That's the verb in the sentence "God created evil". If we do not understand the action, all we have is God doing something that is somehow related to the human notion evil.



Who is religion? But seriously, these stories are understood by different people in different ways. I personally suggest that we understand the stories as conveying some message or instruction to the reader, and that they are not to be taken literally. The story of Lucifer fighting God is a story about the danger of envy and ego.



But you will not tell me what you mean by "create" nor have we come to any understanding about what was created, this "evil".

What do you mean by "created"? That's the verb in the sentence "God created evil". If we do not understand the action, all we have is God doing something that is somehow related to the human notion evil.

Who is religion?

But seriously, these stories are understood by different people in different ways.

I personally suggest that we understand the stories as conveying some message or instruction to the reader, and that they are not to be taken literally.

The story of Lucifer fighting God is a story about the danger of envy and ego.

But you will not tell me what you mean by "create" nor have we come to any understanding about what was created, this "evil".

Could man have created God and Lucifer? I've actually never seen either one so couldn't it be that it's a creation in the mind of mankind?

Man creates evil. God is just someone for man to blame it on.

As said before it means god is the source of evil.

Your semantic of words make no sense to me.

What's the point in creating stories, mythologies, symbols and traditions if you don't take them literally? Your losing me.

Well that's fine and all but according to religion god created it all.

Through stories we know created evil.

Why must we know anything more?

If a man creates a atomic bomb and sets it in a city why does it matter knowing how he created it if we know that he indeed created nonetheless.