I don't understand how this car works.

@ThinAirDesigns,

ThinAirDesigns wrote:

Thanks guys/gals -- it's been fun.

Thanks for joining us.

Now that you've demonstrated that the laws of physics are not being broken by your vehicle, perhaps you would care to partake in a nice Creation/Evolution thread, then you can REALLY experience some frustration Smile

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@ebrown p,

Sorry the report is not even in and I am looking forward to seeing the raw data as there had been many free energy devices in the past that pass their "tests" in the past.

I just got to sell shares in my cold fusion company once more.

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RAW DATA.

NEED RAW DATA NOW.

PLEASE FEED THE DATA TROLL.

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@BillRM,

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I am looking forward to seeing the raw data

I don't disrespect that in the least.

NALSA will be posting their report and data in the near future -- how near I can't say as I have no control over it. That is what they refer to in their news release as the links that are coming soon.

JB

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@sirclicksalot,

It kind of harder to hide motion forces employed other then the wind if someone can look at the raw date.

I cannot wait to graph acceleration ver. wind speed just to start with and the changes as the Blackbird break the law of nature at wind speed.

Of course, I am sure I will not be the only one looking at this date if it become available.

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@BillRM,

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I cannot wait to graph acceleration ver. wind speed just to start with and the changes as the Blackbird break the law of nature at wind speed.

Sorry ... you won't be able to graph those changes as it "breaks the law of nature at wind speed" -- it only breaks the laws of BillRM, not nature.

Oh ... BTW -- we're scheduled for the runs at NASA (that's right ... not NALSA, NASA) for the 14th and 15th of next month at the Ames Research Center. Are you going to show up and bring your "team" to tear it down immediately after?

JB

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@ThinAirDesigns,

ThinAirDesigns wrote:

Oh ... BTW -- we're scheduled for the runs at NASA (that's right ... not NALSA, NASA) for the 14th and 15th of next month at the Ames Research Center.

NASA? You mean those people who faked those moon landings? Who's gonna believe them.

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@ThinAirDesigns,

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Oh ... BTW -- we're scheduled for the runs at NASA

You don't mean the same NASA that faked the moon landings, do you?

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@BillRM,

>> "I am looking forward to seeing the raw data as there had been many free energy devices in the past that pass their "tests" in the past."

At least Bill is sticking with the plan of just making **** up. Do tell us Bill about any of those times that NALSA was fooled by a free energy device.

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@BillRM,

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I am looking forward to seeing the raw data as there had been many free energy devices in the past that pass their "tests" in the past.

That sentence makes no sense whatsoever.

Your cluelessness really knows no bounds and you have no problem broadcasting that fact. Why should you? Your cluelessness extends to your (lack of) awareness of your own cluelessness. Ignorance is bliss.

You have never posted any correct statement that demonstrates why the cart won't work, or for that matter why it would work. The logical reason is that you haven't the slightest idea how to come to either conclusion. You are more than welcome to correct me by doing so, but we know you cannot. A robot spewing random phrases could make a more cogent contribution to this thread than you, yet you continue to offer an opinion. Well, opinions are like [insert body part here]: everyone has one. We know to ignore yours.

BillRM, it is a simple observable fact that you could reliably neither identify nor analyze free energy fakery if it bit you on the keester. The same keester that you could not find with

- both hands,
- a map,
- a flashlight,
- a can of beans and an audio direction finder,
- another can of beans, a match and infrared goggles.

I hope whomever you work for doesn't read anything you post, because if they did they should fire you. I also hope you are never involved in any technical field like engineering or bridge design, construction and maintenance. If you are then you must come clean so the rest of us know what bridges and other structures to avoid.

I have no idea why you have any interest in the data because 1) you do not have the skills to analyze it, and 2) you are going to claim it is faked.

You are the poster child for this thread's title, only in your case you will never understand how this car works. This thread is like flypaper and you are like an insect stuck to it vainly flapping its wings but accomplishing nothing.

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@BillRM,

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I cannot wait to graph acceleration ver. wind speed

Poor deluded Bill, you couldn't extract acceleration or windspeed from the data if your life depended on it.

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@sirclicksalot,

I particularly enjoy the fact that he's not prepared to trust us in any way, but wants us to supply the reams of raw data - because how could we possibly game lists of numbers!?

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@spork,

Perhaps he's got an associate that can apply Benford's Law to the data.

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The DWFTTW design is a very interesting contrivance, but it's unfortunate that there's really nothing that can be done with it except crossing salt flats directly down wind at a higher speeds.

I keep trying to think about how to apply this to something, but I keep coming up short. Since no energy is gained from this system there's nothing to exploit. It's a bit frustrating to observe a new and creative application of physics, but to find no productive use for it.

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@rosborne979,

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Since no energy is gained from this system there's nothing to exploit.

While I'm certainly not claiming that there are easy practical applications for this technology, I do take issue with your above statement.

There is no need whatsoever to use all of the energy collected by the device simply to propel itself faster and faster across the desert floor. If you install a generator on it and load up the generator such that you slow it down from 3x to ~1.5x you'll find that you can produce in the same wind over twice the electricity as a stationary turbine of the same size.

There is plenty of energy that can be gained from the system if you simply decide there is no reason to waste it all going as fast as you can.

JB

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@ThinAirDesigns,

ThinAirDesigns wrote:

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Since no energy is gained from this system there's nothing to exploit.

While I'm certainly not claiming that there are easy practical applications for this technology, I do take issue with your above statement.

There is no need whatsoever to use all of the energy collected by the device simply to propel itself faster and faster across the desert floor. If you install a generator on it and load up the generator such that you slow it down from 3x to ~1.5x you'll find that you can produce in the same wind over twice the electricity as a stationary turbine of the same size.

There is plenty of energy that can be gained from the system if you simply decide there is no reason to waste it all going as fast as you can.

But the energy you could harvest wouldn't be any greater than what you could get from a stationary wind turbine, right? And it would actually be less because you're using some of the energy to make the cart go.

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@rosborne979,

Rosboune -- what I said above is true and I'll repeat it:

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If you install a generator on it and load up the generator such that you slow it down from 3x to ~1.5x you'll find that you can produce in the same wind over twice the electricity as a stationary turbine of the same size.
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The rotor of this craft is not subject to the Betz limit as a turbine is and thus is far more effective than a turbine. Additionally, it can process more as simply because it moves.

JB

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A great first person article from Kimball Livingston -- editor at Sail Magazine.
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http://kimballlivingston.com/?p=3971

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@ThinAirDesigns,

ThinAirDesigns wrote:

Rosboune -- what I said above is true and I'll repeat it:

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If you install a generator on it and load up the generator such that you slow it down from 3x to ~1.5x you'll find that you can produce in the same wind over twice the electricity as a stationary turbine of the same size.
************

The rotor of this craft is not subject to the Betz limit as a turbine is and thus is far more effective than a turbine. Additionally, it can process more as simply because it moves.

JB

Oh great. It took me hours to get the physics of the cart figured out and now I have to try to understand Betz limits and generators and prop efficiencies. It's too much. Time to get some ice cream Smile

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Well, I guess BillRM couldn't get that "team" together to disassemble the Blackbird after testing.

What a shame -- and I was sooooo counting on him.

JB

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I don't understand how this car works.

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