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Judges Object to Bad Sex Crime Laws

 
 
Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 11:37 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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You have a problem recognizing sex crimes and sex-related crimes, as being very real crimes.
you keep saying this nonsense as if it means something...dont you have any shame?

A crime is what ever we define as a crime. We decide.


You have now convinced me, beyond all doubt, that you really don't have a connection with reality.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 11:40 am
@Intrepid,
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You have now convinced me, beyond all doubt, that you really don't have a connection with reality.
in that case finding the flaw in my statement is like shooting fish in a barrel...have at it then...
Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 11:43 am
@hawkeye10,
See. You really don't get what would be obvious to everyone else.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 11:44 am
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye, most people do see rape and child pornography as crimes. Society wants them regarded as crimes and punished accordingly.

What would be your alternate method for dealing with such crimes, besides, or instead of, the criminal justice system?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 11:54 am
@firefly,
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Hawkeye, most people do see rape and child pornography as crimes. Society wants them regarded as crimes and punished accordingly.
society wants to end child abuse, as do I....we have been told that being brutal on child porn is a great help to get there and most people believe this claim even though there is nearly zero scientific evidence to back it up. I do not.
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What would be your alternate method for dealing with such crimes,
I would make only the creation or profit from pictures of children involved in sex acts a crime....the rest would either be nothing or it would cause the mandatory injection into the public health system and perhaps monitoring. I would put alot of people caught with child porn on police lists so that they get the first look if the cops are facing a crime but coming up empty on suspects.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 11:56 am
@hawkeye10,
Your "solutions" do nothing for the victim. The children involved. You seem oblivious to this matter.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 12:00 pm
@Intrepid,
He doesn't see the child as a victim. He has said that before.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 12:00 pm
@firefly,
Then all discussion with him is useless.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 12:49 pm
@firefly,
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He doesn't see the child as a victim. He has said that before.
our child porn laws are not designed to protect children, they are designed to seek and destroy anyone who gets erotic pleasure from children/teens , or simulations of children/teens.

Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 12:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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He doesn't see the child as a victim. He has said that before.
our child porn laws are not designed to protect children, they are designed to seek and destroy anyone who gets erotic pleasure from children/teens , or simulations of children/teens.




Just as it should be. Punish the sickos who exploit the children for their selfish pleasures.

You will probably not see or understand this because of your rock solid defence of the child molesters. By giving harsh punishment it is expected that there will be a deterrent for others not to follow suit. That is where the protection for the children come in.

You seem to think that children can be used for sexual pleasure at the whim of those who desire it. Thank God we have the laws to address this. It is usually those who are afraid that the law will affect them directly that oppose laws.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 01:15 pm
@Intrepid,
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Just as it should be. Punish the sickos who exploit the children for their selfish pleasures
sicko's normally get administered to by mental health professionals, not jailers.....why is sexuality so special that we dont follow the normal rules?
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 01:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
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sicko's normally get administered to by mental health professionals, not jailers.....why is sexuality so special that we dont follow the normal rules?


Jails and prisons both have mental health services available, including programs for dealing with sexual offenders. So treatment can be delivered during incarceration.

Sex crimes aren't special--that's why those convicted go to jail, just like other criminals.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 05:09 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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Just as it should be. Punish the sickos who exploit the children for their selfish pleasures
sicko's normally get administered to by mental health professionals, not jailers.....why is sexuality so special that we dont follow the normal rules?


As Firefly already mentioned. Sickos can be treated in prison as well. Unfortunately, what you consider normal rules and behaviour is not considered normal by most of the populace and the justice system.

The normal rules are put into place for just that reason. If you don't want to live with the rules then go off to some deserted island where you can make your own rules and live as unnormal a life as you want. Otherwise, try to do something about changing the rules rather than whining about them.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 05:18 pm
@Intrepid,
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Otherwise, try to do something about changing the rules rather than whining about them
Lobbying in the attempt to move my currently minority view into the majority view so that we can get the system changed IS doing something. Why then do you continue to object to me doing exactly what you say that I should do?
Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 08:07 pm
@hawkeye10,
Who are you lobbying? The members of A2K? So far, I have seen 2 allies on the entire board.

Maybe you should spend more time lobbying where it would actually count.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 08:33 pm
@hawkeye10,
Try lobbying among the prison population. That's where you're more likely to find followers.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2010 09:37 pm
@Intrepid,
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Who are you lobbying? The members of A2K? So far, I have seen 2 allies on the entire board.
I am not ready to declare this a lost cause. Putting in place policy the promotes healthy erotic expression and exploration while promoting individual freedom and empowerment while REASONABLY protecting the young and the stupid is too important an issue to allow failed approaches to go unchallenged. The thugs have gotten away with doing a lot of damage, and it will take a lot to get America back to a healthy sexuality, but it will be done.

As I have said elsewhere the rest of the world has been bullied into following America down the primrose path on sexual regulation matters but this will not stand. Just as we no longer expect any solutions to anything important to come from Washington one would be a fool to expect sex policy reform to take hold in America first....it will come from some other place.

It does seem that this debate has run its course for now in these three sex threads we have going, as we have little new to add, and the personal attacks have mostly taken over. You'll be able to find me on the other threads. If you come up with something earth shattering feel free to PM me.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 05:50 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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Who are you lobbying? The members of A2K? So far, I have seen 2 allies on the entire board.
I am not ready to declare this a lost cause. Putting in place policy the promotes healthy erotic expression and exploration while promoting individual freedom and empowerment while REASONABLY protecting the young and the stupid is too important an issue to allow failed approaches to go unchallenged. The thugs have gotten away with doing a lot of damage, and it will take a lot to get America back to a healthy sexuality, but it will be done.


The stupid?

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As I have said elsewhere the rest of the world has been bullied into following America down the primrose path on sexual regulation matters but this will not stand. Just as we no longer expect any solutions to anything important to come from Washington one would be a fool to expect sex policy reform to take hold in America first....it will come from some other place.


The rest of the world has been bullied?

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It does seem that this debate has run its course for now in these three sex threads we have going, as we have little new to add, and the personal attacks have mostly taken over. You'll be able to find me on the other threads. If you come up with something earth shattering feel free to PM me.


Oh, so if somebody else suggests that a thread has run it's course you tell them that they don't speak for anybody but themselves and the thread will continue. When YOU say it, there is a different meaning. hmmm
Now you claim personal attacks and run like a little coward. You will never get a PM from me. I wouldn't want to get that personal with you. As for finding you on other threads.....You flatter yourself.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 06:08 am
@Intrepid,
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Now you claim personal attacks and run like a little coward.


Another pot, doing what pots are reputed to do.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:51 am
@hawkeye10,
For you, the debate has run its course, because your consideration of the issues is narrow minded and mainly confined to your own, somewhat deviant, sexual interests.

You talk about
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healthy erotic expression


What you really advocate is that children should be allowed to consent to having sex with adults. You perversely characterize this as giving the child freedom of choice, as though there is something inherently good for the child from what you propose. Good? Unwanted pregnancies? STDs? Being psychologically dominated by a more powerful person? Being in a relationship one is not emotionally mature enough to handle? Being sexually exploited?

What you really want is to provide pedophiles easier access to children by removing the legal sanctions against such behaviors.

Pedophiles are people who need weaker, relatively powerless, sex object partners. Their sexual satisfaction comes from, or is heightened by, sexual contact with a more vulnerable, easily dominated individual, a child.

You want to provide more prey for adult pedophiles.

And you want these same adult pedophiles to be able to sit at their computers looking at, and downloading, pornographic photos of children, without fear of arrest or jail time.

This is your idea of " healthy erotic expression"?

Healthy erotic expression does not create victims, it does not harm anyone involved. There is nothing healthy about sexual exploitation.

Your problem, or at least one of your problems, is that you think there is actually a societal debate about these issues, when there is no debate at all. No rational mature adults condone your point of view. Your views represent those of a handful of deviants who would like to bend the laws to conform to their pathological desires. You aren't debating anyone. Society is not listening to you or taking anything you say seriously.

And, ironically, when people read the sorts of things you post, the response is to want even tougher laws for sex crimes involving children and the sexual exploitation of children. You remind them that children are at risk. So, your "cause" is essentially self-defeating, And, as Martha Stewart might say, "That's a good thing".
 

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