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Congrats USA! Health care for all!! ??

 
 
roger
 
  2  
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 06:49 pm
@ehBeth,
I think you are overestimating people in general. There really are people who think they will be getting free treatment. Not because they've been told that, but just because it sounds right.
ebrown p
 
  3  
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 06:56 pm
@roger,
Quote:
There really are people who think they will be getting free treatment. Not because they've been told that, but just because it sounds right.


There are also people who think they are about to be marched off to socialist death camps.... for the same reason.
roger
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 06:59 pm
@ebrown p,
That's also true, but it is much harder to disappoint a pessimist.
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Ionus
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 07:41 pm
@Irishk,
Thanks for the ref.

So the piss ants and peasants in europe have to pay for their own defence...that wont break my heart. I think USA taxpayers deserve to benefit from their money by knowing poor people are cared for and not the rich in Europe are protected.

If it was my money I would rather alleviate the suffering of the poor at home and then maybe my kids wont be murdered. Isnt that the basis of defence ? So your kids will be safe ?
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panzade
 
  8  
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 08:54 pm
@Irishk,
Quote:
The U.S. has also provided military welfare for most of the free world for decades and that is and has been expensive.


In the last 3 decades the US has sold more arms around the world than all the other countries combined.
Many times the sale of arms to one country has necessitated the giving away of arms to its opponent.

The Taliban were blessed with Stinger missiles by the American taxpayers in order to fight the Red menace which was already bankrupt and in its death throes. Now the American taxpayer is paying for weapons and a war to fight our former allies, the Taliban

Listen to how Ike warned us:
Quote:
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.


In the last 3 decades one boogey man has followed another. Once the Russian bear was vanquished a new boogey man had to be found: The war on terrorists fit the bill.

No wonder Ionus is scratching his head. All these years he had no idea we were spending so much money to protect our Aussie cousins that we could not even take care of our own poor and sick.
ossobuco
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 09:02 pm
@panzade,
(Go, Panz!)
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maporsche
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 09:03 pm
@maporsche,
So, no thoughts on any of this? Am I off base, or does everyone pretty much agree?
Eorl
 
  5  
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 09:22 pm
@Phoenix32890,
Phoenix32890 wrote:

As far as I am concerned, I don't give a rat's ass about the whole thing. I will probably not be around twenty years from now.

I feel sorry for the young people who think that they will be getting something for nothing. I have visions of the medical profession degrading into mediocrity, as the best and the brighest young people will stay away from medicine like the plague. Who wants to be told what to do by a bunch of self serving bureaucrats?

I am appalled that people who have paid for expensive medical coverage will be taxed, so that people who have put little into the system will be covered.

Remember, if the government taxes to give services to people who do not give their share to the economy, the money has to come from somewhere. And guess where that money will come from?

Be afraid..................be very afraid. This is only the beginning!



There's a balance to be found in any society small or large between rewarding individual achievement and looking after their young, their elderly, their ill and their poor.

The rest of the western world has watched the US debate this in disbelief. We've all had health care of some kind or other for a long time. We aren't all communists.

The US system has been so far balanced to the "greed" side of the scales, but for some reason they just don't see it. Can't you look outside your own borders and see the it's NOT the end of the world to provide health care? What the hell are taxes for or if not for schools, roads and hospitals?

Congratulations USA, on finally taking a step in a more human direction.
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panzade
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 09:33 pm
@maporsche,
I really can't find fault with your points map, so I can't debate it. I just don't know enough.

All I know is that right now there are 30 million people that have to go to emergi-care for medical help. These people get no preventive care and education which is the keystone of lowering health costs. Right now we're all paying for their care. Do you think hospitals recover 100k when someone comes in with a heart attack and no insurance?. As a first step, help and force 30 million to get health insurance. This will save taxpayers a bundle.

After all, we're not allowed to drive without insurance. What's different about living without insurance?
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Eorl
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 09:54 pm
@kickycan,
kickycan wrote:

"There will be no cooperation for the rest of the year," McCain said.


Now there's a man with the best interests of his nation at heart! If Obama keeps his room clean and does more chores, can he get the sentence shortened, I wonder?
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Thomas
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 10:40 pm
@kickycan,
kickycan wrote:
There will be no cooperation for the rest of the year," McCain said during an interview Monday on an Arizona radio affiliate. "They have poisoned the well in what they've done and how they've done it."

Oh man, Democrats will sure regret losing all that cooperation they got from the Republicans over the last three years!

Oh well, what do you expect? Insecure men get all bitchy like that when they feel threatened in their masculinity.
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Pamela Rosa
 
  1  
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 02:49 am
@Ceili,
Quote:
I've heard that the USA spends more per person than any other country on healthcare


http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/dhtml_slides/10/us_healthcare/img/slide2.gif
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8579322.stm
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Philis
 
  1  
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 03:44 am
It won't be pretty, It had to be done. Cool
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 03:51 am

It remains possible that it will be thrown out by the USSC.
We shall see what we shall see.





David
sozobe
 
  1  
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 10:02 am
That (the signing ceremony) was more emotional than I expected. Big moment.
Thomas
 
  1  
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 10:05 am
@sozobe,
Very Republican pens, though.
sozobe
 
  1  
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 10:07 am
@Thomas,
He said, I think to Marcellus, as he was signing, "I had to practice this..."
Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 10:09 am
@Green Witch,
Green Witch wrote:

I'm glad it passed only because it means politicians will now have to really work on it and make it into something that might be useful. It keeps the problem in the light. If it had failed, the whole topic would have been locked back in the Whitehouse basement for another 20 years while the current system continued to implode.


Smile Smile Smile
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Thomas
 
  2  
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 10:10 am
@sozobe,
He's certainly good at keeping his humor. I would have freaked out after, say, the fifth pen.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 10:11 am
@panzade,
panzade wrote:

Quote:
The U.S. has also provided military welfare for most of the free world for decades and that is and has been expensive.


In the last 3 decades the US has sold more arms around the world than all the other countries combined.
Many times the sale of arms to one country has necessitated the giving away of arms to its opponent.

The Taliban were blessed with Stinger missiles by the American taxpayers in order to fight the Red menace which was already bankrupt and in its death throes. Now the American taxpayer is paying for weapons and a war to fight our former allies, the Taliban

Listen to how Ike warned us:
Quote:
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.


In the last 3 decades one boogey man has followed another. Once the Russian bear was vanquished a new boogey man had to be found: The war on terrorists fit the bill.

No wonder Ionus is scratching his head. All these years he had no idea we were spending so much money to protect our Aussie cousins that we could not even take care of our own poor and sick.


we are at war with oceania. we have always been at war with oceania. we will always be at war with oceania. until we're at war with eurasia. Drunk
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